Vol. II No. I (Jan 06') University Styles / Winter Items

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Dear Members,

Please be patient when viewing this article. It contains detailed pictures that takes a while to load. IT IS PRESENTED IN THREE SECTIONS BECAUSE OF ITS LENGTH. This below what I have presented took me a massive 55+ hours to create. It contains 10-12 illustrations plus more pictures through the links. Actually, it was two different articles that I wrote on different occasions then linked them altogether to create one behemoth of a post. I don’t think I will be able to present something this detailed again. All this is in hope that people find these useful and actually learn something from these. It is funny but sometimes I wish somebody would have done these for me… many years ago when I was struggling to land on any piece of valuable info regarding sartorial matters. But that is all past…and what matters is now.

So… what do we have here? For a while I have been thinking of doing an article on something that is integral and vital to most of the matters that we study here… i.e., northeastern university styles that were observed during the classical era of 30s. It is not only the styles in themselves that are that important but their extremely heavy influence on the styles of that time (outside the campuses) and in the decades to follow. Before, you go on to say… well I don not care for university fashions and collage students are idiots anyways…I ask you kindly to leave your prejudices aside for a while. For the sake of this article kindly focus only and only what is presented below… not your likes and dislikes about universities. If you do what I say…at the end of this article…you will be glad you did that. There is more you can learn from these few illustrations and the article below than you will initially realize.

And I have added more at the end also. You will go through an exhaustive account of what the collage men preferred during that era and how it influenced many of the styles that are our favorites. Yes…times have gone by and it would be foolish to wear what is presented below to an undergraduate campus (at least in US) or suggest so to an undergrad… unless of course you don’t mind the good old ridicule.

If you focus only and only on the article, you will see the movement of these styles as they came (and were Heavily inspired from English country side) into vogue. The connection between the university styles of the past and that of the country side is exactly like the winter resort season at Palm Beach and then summer in the mainland. Both followed each other as night follows the day. Once that is realized you can take these items from here and use it accordingly in today’s world. Maybe that be your casual-Friday oriented office, your home at suburbs or on weekend in metropolis.

As always what is important is a thorough understanding of concepts and ideas. Mere copying will not get you very far and you will also be handicapped to the actual source….may that be designers, mainstream fashion media, books, magazines or even AA/Esky. In the morning or whenever you change for an occasion, it should not take you 30 minutes to decide what you want to wear and how it is going to “work”. You should not have a copy of your favorite book or magazine next to you, trying to figure out…what goes where and what comes next. If that is happening then something is not right…and should I be permitted to render a guess, I will say it is the basic understanding that needs to be worked at. That is exactly what we wish to accomplish with these fora and lively discussions. So off we go…

This time unlike pervious ones, I suggest all members to read this article. It is relatively easy and immensely entertaining. I have explained things wherever possible and given historic accounts (with restrain) when much needed. After the university article you will find a few more illustrations and various other pictures also. Study those for sure. When you get to the end, there is another article regarding the beloved fabric of many; tweeds. Do Not try to rush through this long post. Print it out study at your own pace. It should be fun. If you see any cross-referencing to old illustrations or articles it is because I want you to realize that how versatile this stuff is and not to be taken only and only as presented…the dreaded idea of “outfits”.

Okay… so this main article is from Fall of 34’ AA. The 2nd one is also from the same time period. Click on the links to be directed to other threads and pictures.

For the first article there is something you need to know…

In pre WWII there were 10 prep-schools in US, from which a majority of boys went to these northeastern campuses, that were of utmost importance…especially from the standpoint of clothes. These schools had everyday habits that later yielded in well-attired gents getting ready for their collage years. To describe them in detail would be rather boring and somewhat dull to most members…especially the ones outside US. But I would like to mention their names for sure so that you know what they were. These were the schools of; St. Marks, Gorton, St.Paul’s, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Choate, Taft, Hill…finally Andover and Exeter.

Now before we proceed very much into this article let me tell one thing simply… In pre WWII university fashions, there was Princeton and Yale… and then everybody else. Well maybe Princeton, Yale, then the northeastern campuses and then everybody else. These two universities preceded all other collages, in every scope of collage fashions as much as you can think. For many different reasons even Harvard was rarely credited with any new innovative ideas. There are a few reasons for this and before this turns into a long drawn out history lesson…I will skip over that in the nature of interest to keep this article enjoyable. These two campuses had rivalry from collages of Oxford and Cambridge. Though many will argue that Yale and Princeton fashions were heavily inspired by them…season to season, just as night follows the day, Princeton and Yale, followed fertile fashion grounds of Oxford and Cambridge. But this was not always the case, as we will see during the course of this article. Quite a few fashions originated in these US campuses and then moved east across the “pond”.

And to be perfectly clear on this…I have no affiliation with any of these campuses and this is NOT subject to favoritism or anything like that.

Kindly view the last article of this series also. You will find a few university styles in there plus it will be used for many cross referencing.

Fall Series Part 1

ON UNIVERSITY STYLES

Concerning the world’s most slippery customer—the collage student; you can catch him but can you hold him? Notes on important fashions that will help you do both.


There are two trips that every forward—looking men’s store merchant ought to take at least once in his life time. One is a trip to the Princeton campus on the day that Princeton plays Amherst its, opening game. The other is a journey to the same place some nine months later on Commencement Day.

The point of this suggested itinerary would be neither football games nor Commencement exercises, but something of a more intangible nature that goes by the name of fashion. It would call for a good deal of lynx-eyed observation. And the object of that observation would be (a) the Princeton freshmen as they come to the university, raw and unfledged, from all sections of America, and (b) the same freshmen as they appear at the end of the school year.

In the first instance one would see them dressed in their local clothier’s interpretation of university styles—for better or for worse, and usually for worse.* In the second instance one would see them after they have caught on to what is being worn by the men on campus whom they follow, to the point of slavishness, in everything including their dress.


*This was not always the case. A lot of these new incoming Freshmen already had their elder brothers in Princeton and other esteemed campuses, so their were exposed a bit to university fashions and how everything went along. For example the prep school of Lawrenceville comes to mind immediately, which is located close to the Princeton campus in Mercer County. It is to Princeton, what Exeter is to Harvard and Taft is to Yale… i.e. a big contributor of student body going to Princeton (about some 40% in early 30s). And it is also through these prep schools (mostly) that the elder brothers of the new coming freshmen came from.

The moral? Simply that a merchant can catch the collage student-to-be with promotional honey but he can never hold him in a million years if that honey later turns out to be so much fashion vinegar. Try to get those particular Princeton freshmen who got a bum sartorial steer, all the way from their squeaking shoes to their brand new hats, to go back to the local merchants who did the steering. Just try! They have been subjected, at least in their own minds, to ridicule, and ridicule is a notoriously strong motivating agency. Strong enough to last not merely four years but an entire life time.*

*Again over here is the case for those poor freshmen who were without the help of any elder brothers in these campuses, where fashion innovation took place mostly.

All of which brings us to the inevitable conclusion that the job of catering to the collage student—or to the future collage student, with a view to keeping his trade during and after his campus years—is an usually exciting one. In it, the proper approach to the whole subject is all-important. And that approach is best expressed in the distinction between “collegiate” and true university style, remembering that collegiate is to university fashions what jazz clothes are to true fashions.*

* i.e. the exaggerated features. This is a VERY important distinction. Make note of this.

Collage men today are dressing more conservatively and more for the occasion, than any other group of men in the country. That statement may be a generality, but the failure to recognize it and to deduce from it each individual particular of collage dress is responsible for weaning away more young men from more local men’s stores then you can shake a stick at.

The issue for those merchants who want to do a good (i.e., lasting profitable) job of catering to the collage men in their communities is clear cut. The requirements are first, a broad but exact knowledge of what merchandise is accepted by the well-dressed collage man as meeting his standard of dress and, second, a program of promotional activity carefully keyed to that knowledge. On the second score, aids in that direction will be found in generous measure throughout this issue. As for the answer to the first point, with specific reference to this coming fall season, just keep on reading.


SUITS

Among the major clothing trends of the past two years, the tendency toward rougher surfaced fabrics has been one of the most pronounced of all. Not dramatically, but with gradual and irresistible persistency, this tendency has marked itself as being of increasing importance. The general acceptance of rougher fabrics is a foregone conclusion.*


*I have stressed on this point in particular, regarding fall posts and have provided a few examples of this. For those who are still not convinced, there is more on that… in this article also.

But with reference to university men, “acceptance” is too mild a term and for it should be substituted the word “demand.” To say that all one sees on the campuses are Harris tweeds, Shetlands, cheviots and homespun would be an exaggeration. But it would be a pardonable one.

The trend toward the rough is the chief point to be made about fabrics.* As for model, the salient features may be quickly summarized. Shoulders are natural, jackets are longer and backs are plain except for a center or side vents. There is usually a fullness at the chest and shoulder blades and a decided flare at the hips.

The favorite coat is a three button notched lapel single breasted model and very often there is an addition of cash pockets. In some cases, patch pockets or bellows pockets are worn and, in many cases tweed suits a welt seam on the collar, lapels, pockets and front of coat. Trousers are pleated and taper gracefully to the foot.**

With respect to colorings, there is a predominance of rich browns in a variety of shades and mixtures, while in many cases shades of Lovat are coming to the fore. Greys, of course are also popular—particularly in combinations. At the same time, Glen Urquharts have not lost their hold and are still favored by many, very often with the addition of a colored over-plaid.***


*Read the detailed notes on tweed fabrics, including various types of tweeds and their characteristics.

**See the predominant influence of British campuses in many of these sightings. About two decades later (during 50s), all these details would merge into what is now largely known as the American Traditional clothing. You should be able to see many of these small details and notice how they changed later. Plus see the origins of many of these styles and details are chiefly English or heavily influenced by English details.

***Again, this cannot be stressed enough i.e., the use of Glen-plaid by university men. These checks and plaids were everywhere. US campuses were extremely strong on Glen-plaids with few of the hounds tooth variety, where as the British campuses were equivalently strong on the tartan checks and plaids of English origins.

To be classified well up on the list of popular patterns are both shepherded and gun club checks, while there is a comparatively sudden vogue for over plaids which may be either of a darker color than the suit or contrasting color. Not infrequently, one meets with the return of the ever popular black and white herringbone. Herringbones are also to be seen in brown and tan, as well as in black and brown.

For more dressy occasions, the university man favors the double breasted suit.* These jackets follow the same lines as those of the single breasted suits, as previously defined, the only important point of diverging being a tendency toward a more definite waistline.** Flannels, worsteds and cheviots are favored, with chalk stripes and check effects dominating. Some of these suits also carry cash pockets and vents, while, again, trousers follow fairly much the same lines. Color tends towards the navy blue and dark greys.***


*This is a Vital piece of info , so be sure to make a note of it. Purely a US understanding. This is a rather broad topic in itself, as to the respective formality levels of a SB vs. DB suit. Let me remind you, that the Englishmen never viewed DB as any one bit more formal… on the contrary it was always viewed as something that the younger people preferred in place of a SB 3-pc suit (which was essentially considered more formal than a DB suit, and perhaps still is). In case you are unable to guess… the good ol’ Duke had A LOT to do with it. Later another significant change came from WWII era restrictions.

This early collage perception is one of the root causes of why the DB in US is (usually) viewed as more formal of the two.

**This is strange… I mean the acceptance of waistline on US campuses. Around WWI, there was no waistline to speak of… later during the 20s & 30s… campuses saw an acceptance of slight waist line, and then after WWII it decreased again. On the whole the campuses in US have generally been more shy of accepting this feature, which again is English in nature.

***Note the reference to the ticket pockets.

ODD JACKETS

Few fashions attach more interest to themselves than the pronounced vogue for wearing odd jackets, slacks and waistcoats. This trend is responsible for the very popular mixed suit ensembles which have been dinned into the ears of so many people, not without appreciable effect.

Favored odd jackets are made up in Harris tweed, Shetland, cheviot, Irish homespun, Donegal tweed and gabardine. They find their greatest vogue in a three-button single breasted notched lapel model and very often they carry a belted back with bi-wing pleats. It should be added, however, that on the smarter jackets fancy backs are on their way out, with probable cause being traceable to the increased popularity of bold plaids and checks.

The more fashionable sports jackets carry a center or side vents, regular pockets with flaps and a cash pocket. These odd jackets are rather long and follow very much the same lines as those of the single breasted rough fabric suits.

The Norfolk jackets, which were popular year ago, have again been caught up in the fashion wave and are finding acceptance with clothes-minded undergraduate. A few Norfolk jackets were seen on the campus of Princeton University in the fall of 1933 and at that time Apparel Arts mentioned the return to this once-popular garment for sportswear. Since then, the Norfolk jacket has gone on to an acceptance, or rather re-acceptance, that is little short of remarkable.

But there are as many downs as there are ups in fashion, and on the downward trend are to be listed solid colored sports jackets. These, in fact, are seldom if ever seen. Practically all sports jackets carry definite patterns, whether hound’s tooth check, Glen-plaids, over plaids, district checks or herringbone. These jackets are very often worn in contrast to solid colored dark grey flannel trousers, or trousers that carry a small check or herringbone pattern.

TOPCOATS AND OVERCOATS

There are as many types of topcoats which find favor with university man as there are purposes which they serve. First in the heart of the undergraduate, however, comes the single breasted balmacaan, this is the regular balmacaan and is made of Harris tweed. Also to be reckoned with is the reversible type, made of tweed and gabardine.

Among those coats which serve a functional purpose is the gabardine balmacaan which is very often used as a raincoat. The popular double breasted camel’s hair polo coat, which has been a favorite for past five years, is still worn by many.* Likewise, the short raglan single-breasted coat with notch collar is again returning to the popularity it once enjoyed.


*This was depicted in an illustration in last series, plus the gabardine reversible coat was mentioned with much emphasis in that article.

Another favorite on more dressy lines is the single breasted notched lapel fly front model with extra cash pocket, very often made of Harris tweed. The balmacaan has a short military collar, five leather buttons and slash pockets; when made of gabardine, of course, it has regular bone buttons.

A new topcoat which had its origin last spring on the Princeton campus is a long, easy fitting, four button double breasted checked Shetland Ulster type coat. It follows the trend toward the new models in overcoats which, in turn, follow rather closely the once-favored greatcoats.

It is a foregone conclusion that many overcoats will be seen this winter in variations of these Ulsters.* In some cases—and here the matter of choice hinges upon the pocketbook—similar coats will be worn with fur lining and fur collars. As for the short warm, it is evoking little interest other than that which is being shown by the sportsman.


*See below for a beautiful illustration of these Ulsters. Moreover, see the grey with blue over-plaid Ulster (at a football stadium) depicted in last post.

SHIRTS

Among the various types of shirts worn by the collage man today, probably the most important one from the standpoint of fashion development is the even striped oxford with round collar attached, the collar being worn pinned. A frank diagnosis of the status of this shirt does not show for it a complete and definite acceptance as yet, but on the other hand it attaches more interest to itself than any other model by virtue of the increasing attention that is being accorded it. As the season prolongs itself, this shirt will undoubtedly find more favor every day.

Second to it in point of interest, although actually more popular at the moment, is the button-down attached shirt, made up in solid color oxfords, cotton flannels and wool flannels. Tab collar shirts, while they have fallen off from their last year’s peak, are still worn extensively by university men and are particularly suitable for more dressy occasions. These shirts are favored in definite, colorful striped and check patterns.

As for shirt colorings in general, blue still leads the field by a considerable margin, with tan and grey following in the order named. Yellow started to take on early last spring and is still on the way up,* while dark tones are also very much in evidence in shirtings for fall.


*Here it is again… the reference to yellow in shirts. I explained this in detail last time. Kindly see that article for further info.

NECKWEAR

Last spring, the most important tie on the campus was the pointed end bat bow tie, which was favored in India Madras, neat foulard patterns and, to a certain extent, in stripes. There is little to add to that statement in bringing the account up to date for this year, since every indication points to the prospect that these ties will continue in popularity this fall among university men.* With respect to pattern, however, there is certain to be a revived interest in regimental and club stripes.


*And how right they were… these madras ties will continue to be a favorite among university men for decades to follow. However, one more thing must be mentioned here and that is the poplin based ties. Remember those as an alternative also… they were offered usually in compliment to the poplin shirts, that were sold at the time. The best combination harmonized but never exactly matched the shirt’s pattern.

A significant innovation among university men is the bow tie made of light weight wool. These are seen in authentic Scotch Tartans, as well as neat foulard patterns, and should be a favorite for the fall season.

For the past year, university men have worn crochet knitted ties and in this category all types, styles and colors have been popular. A revived interest is in evidence for fall in wide wale crochet ties on dark colored grounds with spaced bias stripes of unusual light colors, such as coral on black, pale yellow on deep green, pink on grey and many other novel combinations.

Another important element in the fall neckwear picture is the attention given to stripes of all types. Regimentals and clubs are foremost, with a well defined preference for neckwear with black grounds. For dress, neat geometric patterns in Spitalfields and Macclesfield effects are unusually popular and there is a renewed interest in shepherd checks of navy and black.

The wool tie that swept the country over a year ago is till seen on many well dressed undergraduates, and taking into consideration the informal type of dress that is worn by students today, this tie should remain in their wardrobes as a staple. As based on observations made at Yale and Princeton, the prediction may be made that the wools favored will be colorful Scotch tartans and definite bold patterns.

HOSIERY

The subject of student preference with regard to hosiery has long been a moot point, involving considerable debate on the part of those interested, but on the basis of an extensive survey this much at least may be set forth; that the university man prefers light weight wool hose to anything else that maybe worn, and in most cases he prefers this hose all year round.*


*Now “most cases” being the critical word here. Those members interested in extensive details will remember that the university students… (in decades preceding 30s) also preferred the heavy woolen golf type hose that were associated generally with golf and other sports. Historic reason being that many of the “sporty” shoes that were brought over from Scotland and other English playgrounds demanded a heavy woolen hose, which was sort of essential, to ensure proper function of these thick pebbled leather shoes. Now, this was until the US shoe manufactures “caught on” what the fuss about these new shoes. Later once they started developing these styles in US…(completely divorced from the function for which they were intended)… the students no longer needed the heavy hose and were quick to dispense it in favor of lighter weight hose.

This topic… the relation between country footwear and their acceptance in Universities is explained in an article through a link below. Those members who are interested in this may want to read the detailed article.

Shoes article

The return to rougher surfaced fabrics has naturally affected many articles of dress and one finds that, in keeping with the resulting demand for color and pattern, hosiery has taken to patterns that lend themselves to tweed and homespun suits, as well as to more masculine and stouter type of shoes in vogue.

One finds such patterns as Argyle plaids, gun club checks and colorful horizontal stripes well in foreground, not to mention a tendency toward mixtures in hose and a revival in old colors with a “dusty” tinge. Wool hose in solid colors of deep tones, in 6x3 ribs, are also highly favored, while for more formal wear there is solid color silk hosiery with colorful clocks and 6x3 ribbed silk and lisle hose.

FOOTWARE

In dealing with each separate article of merchandise, a constant reference to rough suiting may seem repetitious but it is none the less essential to a proper interpretation of the fashions under consideration. If suitings are rough and shaggy as they are then other apparel must follow the lead.* And that applies to the shoes as well as to many other articles of apparel.


*Here note the direction of this movement. As I explained earlier accessories… say hose, follow the footsteps of footwear directly, which in turn follow the suiting.

For at least five years, the smartly dressed student on the better eastern university campuses has worn plain white buckskin shoes with black rubber soles and heels, in many cases the year round. These are still seen in abundance, but under compulsion of the trend toward rougher surfaced fabrics they are slowly giving way to the more rugged and masculine type of stout brogue with heavy soles and heels.*

*Once out of collage and into the working world, these same men tend to favor the shapely English lasts that were used by their elders also.

One of the most significant footnotes of all is that which involves a dark reddish brown Scotch grain shoe which is made on the English straight last with a noticeably rounded toe. The shoe has a straight toe-cap with heavy punching and has foxing on the side with bold punching. In connection with it, it would not be too much to say that it marks a new point of departure in shoes for university men.

Another model that is evidently finding favor with a number of undergraduates is a brown calf shoe with blucher front and three brass eyelets, all of which are oversize. The shoe has a very thick crepe sole and heel and its color is a dark reddish brown. Another popular reddish brown brogue has a square tapered toe and a blucher front; it features a sewn moccasin effect. Both shoes mentioned are important and in connection with them it is to be emphasized that the color is a dark reddish brown.*


*This is following the lead of the dark reddish brown suiting, also immensely popular at that time for country and town wear. It was offered in various patterns in woolen or worsted flannel types and often carried “dusted” (read fuzzy) chalk stripes or windowpane patterns.

Occasional wingtip brogues are also seen, but they are not overly popular. The Jai Alai shoe, on the other hand, has won immediate success at Yale and Princeton, as well as on other campuses, being seen in white and in white and black saddle. There is every reason to believe that the Jai Alai shoe of brown buckskin will be important for fall. With Jai Alai shoe being made in a reverse calf to resemble the brown buck—and not forgetting that the price is in its favor—it should attain considerable popularity during the coming season.

Interest is till being shown in the plain white buckskin shoe, as previously mentioned, and it can carry either red or black rubber soles and heels. The same shoe with a black saddle and red rubber soles and heels is favored by many. For town wear, and for more dressy occasions, one finds the black blucher straight toe-cap model on the English last highly favored. Calf shoes with plain, straight toe-cap are also in vogue for town wear; these shoes are not on the custom last but follow more directly the English straight last with narrow rounded toe.

HEADWEAR

The important hat of the university man is undeniably the dark brown snap brim model with a silk bound edge, the band being either brown or black. The hat is worn punched in at the front and the crown is worn in such manner as to form a long triangle with a point at the front.* The front of the hat, when snapped, usually carries of a few dips in it, affording a very nonchalant appearance.


*They are referring to what is also known as the tear drop crown style, when looking at the crown top from above.

The brown snap brim hat with a black band is really the headwear among university men and greatly in its favor is the fact that it can be worn to advantage with suits of any color. The same shaped model is often worn in a very dark grey, but at the present time this color is not on a par with the brown.

For town wear, there is the bowler hat and many of the better dressed under graduates wear it on their visits to the metropolitan centers. The favored shape has a full crown and rather, narrow brim.

WAISTCOATS AND SWEATERS

Among the more fashionable articles of dress at eastern universities is the Tattersall waistcoat with colored over plaids on cream colored grounds. One of its chief virtues is the fact that it fits in perfectly with mixed ensembles of odd jackets and slacks, with the colors of the waistcoat either blending or contrasting with the colors of the ensemble. Of late, considerable interest has also been shown in the solid color hunting yellow Tattersall waistcoat—at its best when worn with tweeds that come within the color range of the browns.

A vest which attracted attention at Princeton last fall was the wide wale cream colored corduroy waistcoat. This vest has been taken up by sportsmen throughout the country and will undoubtedly become a nation wide favorite with university men this coming fall. One of the newer notes is the return to the knitted vest. This garment, of course, is made on modern lines, being seen in solid colors which included yellow, white, natural camel’s hair color, wine, and light navy blue.

Sweaters are also of prime importance with university men who now favor the sleeveless pullover with either a V or a low cut crew neck. These are most popular in yellow and in white, although navy blue and wine* colored sweaters are becoming conspicuous on the campuses of the eastern universities. The natural color Shetland sweater is favored by a great many, being most fashionable in flat stitches. On the other hand, however, there is a sudden vogue for cable stitch which is so popular in the white tennis sweater with colored V’s.


*This wine color (in sweaters for men at least) is a pure English invention, and came from their collages without a doubt. First offered in cardigans likes and then eventually in other models. Actually it came with (then) a new model from the school of Harrow but that is all history…and at best left alone. For those who are interested, timeline is around early 33’ maybe late 32’ at the earliest.

FORMAL WEAR

For formal dances and other occasions when women are present, the university men’s choice is the tailcoat. The newer ones carry a spade-shaped tail that goes to the bend in the knee and which is rather high waisted. Shoulders are broad, while lapel are wide and straight* and are covered with dull ribbed silk.


*I have addressed this before but here it is again… this was the classic rule or rather an observation that large men can have more roundness in their lapels (peak specially) than shorter men. See lapels on Gary Copper as opposed to Fred Astaire’s… but both were wide when it came to peak lapels.

As for waistcoats, the white single breasted pique backless model with V front is the favorite. Dress shirts are a fine stripe or bird’s eye pique, wing collars are high with bold tabs, and the preferred tie is in the butterfly shape. Trousers are pleated and taper gracefully to the foot, while pumps or patent leather oxfords are preferred.

In dinner jackets, the one-button peak lapel model is favored and double breasted jacket with peak lapel is slowly gaining favor. With this is worn a soft shirt, or pleated shirt with fold collar, and a medium width butterfly tie. The white and black waistcoats divide honors. For campus wear, both with tailcoat and dinner jacket, the brown snap brim hat is usually worn,* while the collapsible opera hat is favored for metropolitan centers.


*This was even more so the case when an overcoat was used, in which case their preferred choice was the natural color camel’s hair polo coat and with that the hat went well. It should have been the homburg but these young men were shy of this type of headwear and never accepted it fully. Hence, the snap brim filled the bill for them in brown color but some times in grey. By the way… this was also a habit of Astaire to wear such casual headwear (pork-pie often) with black-tie.

ACCESSORIES

Knitted gloves—in solid yellow, brown and white—are ideal for the campus and their merits have been recognized by most undergraduates. There is also a dual trend toward both the grey and red Scotch knitted glove and the white knitted glove with colorful embroidered flowers which resemble the Swedish peasant patterns. For more dressy occasions, the white mocha glove and the yellow buckskin glove are all highly favored. Gauntlet models are, at the moment, preferred by students.

Plaid wool mufflers, Scotch Tartan wool mufflers and print wool mufflers are finding a widespread vogue and there are still many solid color Cashmere worn, with yellow and blue being the favorites. For formal wear, the white silk or imitation silk crochet muffler gets first call, although some university men who are more individual in their dress favor the pale yellow* with their evening clothes.


*Remember that this was the same sort of “smart” dressed set that started things like off-white shirts for evening wear. Here when they say pale yellow, read LIGHT yellow like cream or ivory.

In connection with the Scotch Tartan muffler, attention may be called to the sketch on the preceding page.* In addition to being appropriate for university wear this muffler possesses the further recommendation that it carries the stamp of approval of the Prince of Wales.

*They presented a sketch of a beautiful cashmere Scottish muffler in bright color and pattern.

Suspenders that are narrow in width and bright in color are much liked and, for the warmer season, belts of buckskin, cotton or some other washable material, with brass loops, are the favorites. Silk foulard handkerchiefs are worn by many and heavy gold safety pins are worn in the collars of soft shirts.

Below is a short statement that their (AA) editors wrote to clarify some of the sketches that accompanied this article. I think its important that you should read it also.

POINT-TO-POINT

Point-to-Point racing has always held a position as dear in the hearts of the British sporting world as the British lion itself. Today, with the increasing vogue for sports clothing in this country, it is only natural that we should turn to those who are recognized as authorities on this type of dress. And so we borrow from the British.*

These clothes seen on these pages, typical of the countryside, acknowledge their debt to out British cousins. In them, color plays an important role, while the soft, luxurious Shetlands and hand-loomed tweeds with colored checks and plaids not only lend atmosphere but provide welcome variation to the dull monotony of town clothing.**


*Let this be clearly understood.

**What a sentence to end this article with! And how true it is. For those who know the joys of country clothing with all its glorious offerings, see very little in the way of metropolitan standards of everyday dressing.

Alright…now that we are done with this detailed article above, let us look visually at some of the things that were mentioned in the article. And as they say a picture is worth a thousand words, well…here are the illustrations that all of you eagerly await.

This post I would like to start with something that was mentioned foremost in this article and if you have been paying attention… in various pervious posts also. The quintessential “collage uniform” so to speak of 1930s that was observed in various Northeastern campuses. This is from fall of 34’.

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I cannot stress enough to read and re-read this article above and then observe and re-observe this illustration here. I am extremely fond of this attire, even though I believe that the old rule of “no brown with grey” was on to something.

To start off with the details here, this jacket is of brown…guess? yep…Shetland that carries a dark over plaid and is in 3-button roll-lapel model with side vents. Jacket pockets are patch (with a flap) including the breast one…which is patch but without a flap… and the sleeve carries two buttons instead of the customary 4, which in turn signifies that without a doubt it is not part of a suit. Shirt is blue and white striped in oxford cloth with short rounded collar attached and worn pinned. Tie is striped crocheted one. Underneath the jacket is a sleeveless dark blue cashmere pull-over, which may appear black on screen but is actually blue. Pocket square is in foulard blue and white dotted motif. Pants are the classic flannel in a light grey color and are cut with two pleats and a pegged top, which taper gracefully to the shoes. They have self turn-ups instead of the usual pressed cuffs. … note the break (more on that below). Shoes are brown suede in a blucher model with crepe soles and heels. Also note that in addition to these, brown buckskin brogues are also a perfectly acceptable choice here. This ensemble is good for general country wear and golf. Last but not least, hat is brown felt snap brim model with a pinched crown and a dark brown band (can be black also…esp. if Princeton).

Before I go into the details…read below the original text from Esky version, which is actually more interesting than AA’s.

The combination of an odd brown jacket with grey flannel slacks is as old as the 1930’s. All but the extremely dumb undergraduates who were on hand to see this fashion at the time of its first importation from Oxford and Cambridge are out in the cruel world looking for jobs, but this outfit goes on without them

Here note that they are referring to the year 1930 when this fashion first caught on. Then later note the evidence on importation, which I also mentioned at the beginning of this article.

An interesting sidelight concerning the combination of odd brown jacket and grey flannel slacks is that which reveals its vogue as originating with English country gentlemen. From that class, it was but a step to the adoption of the combination by English university students. American students, always partial to odd combinations, were quick to take to this nonchalant, carefree type of dress. Today the brown jacket and grey slacks ensemble is a familiar sight on almost every campus, particularly in the East.

On blue and white shirting…

If universities are to be accepted as a proving ground for fashion—and nothing could be more logical—then considerable significance can be assigned to the fact that the striped oxford shirt in the round collar attached model is currently a very popular one with university men.

Now…note the overall easy fitting of the jacket…in particular the shoulder line and the trousers. If you are observant you will notice that in addition to being rather full in cut, the jacket is slightly long and the pants rather short. That is sort of a collage campus “blue-book” rule…if you must know. The heavy tweedy fabric is an excellent choice for this type of a cut, well articulated… even further by impeccable tailoring. This jacket is plain at the back (except side vents) but were you to observe an alternate illustration, it would not be much effort to locate a belted back, perhaps even the bi-swing pleats aforementioned. These bi-swing pleats by the way are also a golfing innovation. For those of you who are technically inclined, here is some info you might find useful; on a jacket on size 39 regular the estimated length is 31.5” at the back…which (goes without saying) is already 1.5” longer than the average of the time.

Now let us have a look at the suit…This is from early spring of 36’.

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This suit here is a three button with lapel rolled to the middle button in brown Shetland with a bold over plaid. This here is a 3-pc model in which the waistcoat has been left at home. It carries side vents and slanting ticket pocket. This is somewhat of a unique example…more often than not, horizontal ticket pockets were observed on campuses. The shirt is of champagne color with collar attached and the tie is of deep reddish brown color and carries green dots. Pocket square is foulard and is in also green and red motif (different from the tie). Shoes are brown calf Norwegian model, hat is in “snuff” shade, snap brim like the one in the illustration above with a lower crown and slightly wider brim.

Note here, again, the longer jacket with full cut pants. Here the break is more obvious than in other instances. These large sized over plaid checks, Glen-Plaids or other prominent hunting checks are the trademarks of English country men or their students for that matter. This jacket can easily be substituted in place of the jacket in the first illustration. The main difference between this suit…shown here in Princeton…and the one observed say in Scotland, is that this one is made in a considerably light weight fabric whereas the other one will be in rather heavier.

Next having done with brown suit, let us view a green suit worn by university men during those days. This is from early 34’ season.

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Both of them are undergraduates on campus at eastern universities. There are two different things at work here. The left one should be very familiar, as it is nothing but another twist on the very first illustration of brown and grey. I will go over this quickly. The jacket on left is solid brown Shetland worn with a darker gray flannel slacks. Shoes here are brown buckskin with black soles and heels, which by the way were offered as an alternative in the first picture. Now what is different is the rest…that being, starting with the flannel shirt that is grey in color. Collar is short rounded model that is worn pinned. Note this scheme; same color in shirt and pants. Then tie is of rep variety with green and red, which go very well with the odd vest colors. The most interesting piece here is the use of Tattersall “weskit” of a yellowish flannel, which carries multi colored over plaid. The hat here is with black band and the gloves are yellow buckskin. It goes without saying that the absence of plaid in jacket is picked up at the vest, and that either one of these should be plain.

On the right we have something most interesting. For those of you who enjoyed the green DB tweed suit last post have another reason to rejoice here. Even for those who do not prefer green tweed DB’s…here is something in SB version and goes so far to tell you that how much you can push a green tweed suit (in terms of style), that is if you are really determined to do it. This here is probably the MOST formal cut you will ever see a green tweed suit in. This was presented here as the good old reliable “Brooks Brothers” model, which immediately makes you wonder what kind of suits they were producing back then. It is a 3-pc suit on which the vest is DB, six button in a V shape or diamond tip at the front. Jacket is 3-button roll lapel without any vents at the back. Fabric preferred choice was Harris tweed but there is no reason to put cheviot away either. Shirt is a brown glen-plaid oxford, and a solid red crocheted tie. Shoes are dark reddish brown calf. I think I ought to mention this, for I am not sure it is perfectly clear. Do NOT even think about attempting this in a green worsted fabric.

Now notice the cut of this suit, carefully. You will see that it… despite being in a country fabric, follows the lines of a metropolitan one. The pants are worn high at the waist and the vest pushed up…which by the way is a requisite for a suit of this model. Both jacket and vest carry lapels of ample width and note the link watch chain at the vest. Pants are full in cut as usual but taper down very gracefully in this case and end on top of the shoe. No break in either of these instances. Both jackets and pants are cut rather full or along easy lines…something that is helped immensely by the heavier fabric. What makes this ensemble a “student” one and not that of a metropolitan man is….yes you guessed it right…the shirt and the tie. Both of them add a considerable air of informality to the whole outfit. You may dispense with them and that was recommended as a matter of fact, especially if your taste runs more along the lines of subdued or citified. Consider a light blue (I mean Light here) or a light green shirt then choose the according tie, in either blue / green stripe or small neat dotted motif. You can also opt for a little yellow represented in either stripes on shirts or on tie but be careful with it. If you are in the mood for something really unique…you can pull the horizontal striped trick here…the one I explained in detail last time with the green DB tweed suit. As an alternative you can substitute that exact shirt and tie here with ease.

Observe the other options in shirt colors that are available. See the link.

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You have blue, green, and lavender/ lilac or pink. Green is basic here and should be in the light color suggested. With blue go easy on the color as I explained above and finally lavender or pink, works very nicely with green, that is if you keep the shirt considerably lighter. Do NOT go to deeper shades with lavender…unless of course you don’t mind looking like an eggplant or…well…Barney.

It is often said that tweed suits, esp. green tweed are an acquired taste… much more so now in the era of super worsted fabrics and other synthetic materials. There may be some truth to it and I cannot deny that. However, acquired or not… there is something everlastingly unique about a green tweed suit. You known as well as I do that green is already not an easy color to pull-off or make it work. Tweed as a rough fabric adds more to this complexity with its rather rough nature… yet this is where I think these two characteristics merge very well and form something immensely tasteful to view. I personally am a devotee of brown over green…yet anytime I see somebody wear a green tweed suit properly (& that does not happen often), I want to tip my hat in their direction.

That should take care of the suits and odd jackets for the time being. Let us observe an example of overcoat, actually an Ulster as in this illustration below. This is from fall of 34’.

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As they say…cold weather goes with football games—and Ulsters go with both… this here is an Ulster of easy fitting cream colored Harris tweed with a rust over plaid and it carries camel hair interlinings. It is cut large and full and has a wide and high collar, which when turned over (as portrayed) ward off wintry cold blasts that one expects in Stadiums or other outer door place during winter. 9 out of 10 chances are he is wearing an odd jacket of Shetland underneath with obvious grey flannel slacks. Shoes are heavy brown brogues, the muffler is a cashmere Scotch plaid. The hat is the brown snap-brim with a bound edge. Crown is lower than usual and brim a tad bit wider. Gloves here should be yellow string, fleeced lined, which are considered smart accessories with this type of a coat.

This coat does not carry a belt in the back and has a center vent. See the extreme resemblance between this model and the one presented in last article; the grey one at the stadium. Even though Englishmen have no connection with football (at least as understood in US) they in country often wear this coat.

Now on the university favorite polo coat…something that was another university favorite article.

Speaking of football games, brings to mind the camel’s hair polo coat—for many years the favorite collage coat and an inveterate concomitant of the stadium wardrobe. This coat actually became a uniform on the various campuses throughout the country and may be said to have died of over popularity. Elsewhere in this issue, in the article entitled “Freaks of Fashion,” is recounted what happened to the polo coat when it became a plaything of the self-appointed fashionists.* But this seems as good a place as any to mention that last season saw the reinstatement of the coat in its authentic polo model. What the stylists would destroy they first over-exaggerate. And what well dressed men would revive they bring back in its original and authentic form.

*They are referring to the fate of polo coat in early 30s at the hand of “designers” of the time…who never satisfied with the original proportions, started tweaking them and pretty soon the whole affair got carried so far that it was barely recognizable as a polo coat any longer. This “freaks of fashion” is a stunning article that deals in depth with the problems that the apparel industry faced, at the hands of designers of the era…who were bent on twisting every new thing to an extreme and more importantly, the public…who was ready to follow them blindly during the times when they could not afford to make foolish mistakes.

On Scotch plaid cashmere mufflers… see last article for more info on mufflers.

The Scotch plaid Cashmere muffler, an interesting example of which is seen on the opposite page, is currently receiving more than its usual quota of attention. It is important to note that that attention is being accorded by men whose position as leaders of fashion counts for something, and it is interesting to note that those men are about evenly distributed on both sides of Atlantic.

Now…for the last illustration of this university related article. Probably the most beautiful of them all. This one is from Summer of 35’ but I am presenting it in this one because who known when will be the next related article.

ImageImage 4-20-18 at 8.01 PM (3) by The London Lounge, on Flickr

There is much to be discussed in this illustration. I will explain this one by one. First the basic stuff…the son at the left is wearing a 3-pc suit in gabardine with the waistcoat left at home. The jacket is a 2-button SB model with lapel roll to…yes…that’s right what you see…the bottom button (detail below) with a seven inch center vent at the back. Shirt is white oxford button-down, hounds tooth check red and white cotton tie, white linen pocket square, horizontal striped lisle hose, white buckskin shoes with red rubber soles and heels, and a sennit straw hat with club colors on the band.

The father on right wears a DB grey flannel jacket that may as well be part of a suit with lapel rolled to the bottom button…a la Duke of Kent style, with side vents at the back. Trousers are of cricket cloth but can perfectly be of white duck, or just flannel, broadcloth tab collar shirt with deep blue stripes, guard’s rep tie of Royal Artillery, white pocket square, combination last sports shoes in brown & white buckskin and a brown snap brim hat on which the crown is Not pinched.

Time for details…

Look at the young man on the left in gabardine suit. Do you see an Americanized outfit? You should because that is precisely what this is. First of all his jacket is a 2 button roll to bottom…yes that dreaded style that none but the very few can correctly wear. I won’t say much on it…because it will take another 2-3 paragraphs easily… explaining where it works and where it won’t…

just remember this part…that the button stance is much higher than usual and the bottom button is only a little below the waist, which if you think about it, is high. That is the key here. This is not the paddock model with its stiff, horsey oriented lines…it is much different, much closer to a Brooks Brothers model of the era. Note the color scheme here in accessories. Color harmony should be the word as this is exactly what I explained some 5-6 months ago in summer articles. The hatband, tie, socks and shoes all come together to form something that is much more interesting than each in them self. Notice the natural fitting lines of the suit and the length of the pants which are short as to produce no break over the shoes.

The fashion conscious prep school or collage man in search of a smart ensemble after which to pattern his own attire would be hard put to it to beat the outfit sketched on the figure at the left. The fact that the ensemble is suitable for a prep school man takes nothing away from its appropriateness for the university undergraduate. As a matter of fact, the outfit is typical of those worn by collage men at the annual Yale-Harvard Regatta at New London, Connecticut.

Now look at the figure on the right…immediately you should recognize the heavy English influence in this case. As they said you don’t exactly have to be a spectator at a boat race to wear what the gent on the right is wearing because this is what most Englishmen happen to wear to such events.

Starting from the top, as you know…Englishmen never have (or had) a “thing” for the straw, so they do (or did) their best to use felt in every possible instance and this being no exception. Guard’s tie shout English if nothing else…esp. the pattern. Jacket is DB with eight inch side vents and a long roll lapel. So what else is there?

Look again…and you will realize that it has not only “Kent” style lapels but that button stance is in a “keystone” shape which eliminates the possibility of buttoning it at the middle one (Astaire’s favorite). You don’t have to have them in this configuration but this goes to tell you… that you have an option available. Grey and white is another English classic, then completing the ensemble are, the combination shoes. Note here the length of the pants…no break…none what so ever. Pants are full in cut but they taper down at the foot.

I don’t want the people from Harvard to fell all left out. Here is an amusing little note from Esky, on the university influences and carnations.

There’s a shot cheeyah for Haahvuhd in both these costumes, although in basic detail they are both right of the embattled lines that draw up at New London to watch the Harvard-Yale classic. Anyway, papa’s carnation is Harvard red, and there’s a Cantabridgian cast to the color scheme of son’s accessories. Yale men may solve this dilemma by substituting a blue cornflower for the Harvard red carnation—and so on throughout.

…On how to appear smart without striving for an effect of smartness…

There are two platitudes to set down about both of the ensembles sketched here. The first is that they attain the much-desired effect of nonchalance prized by many well dressed men and second is that, while they are smart, there is no attempt at unusual combinations. In fact, the outfits could be described as conservative dress. These ensembles are suitable for resort wear in practically all parts of the country.

I hope this is enough to stress on the key points that I have been trying to establish since the beginning of this article series. An understanding of concepts is Most vital and much needed over anything else. Here in this case… see for yourself, the outfit on the left is Americanized and the one the right is English. Both are perfectly correct for the occasion and traditional in themselves. Which one will you go for? It is you who will have to make the decision and that will be heavily influenced by your style…the development of which is of the utmost importance.

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START OF SECTION II OF THIS POST

With the universities styles done let us proceed and look at few things before we close this article. First and fore most the topic of topcoats and overcoats because this is in the middle of winter and seems like a proper time. This below is from Fall of 37’

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This is a very interesting illustration… not that any others aren’t but by the time we are done dissecting this you will agree with me. Before we begin …do you see anything unusual? No it is not the shoes or the hat. Kudos to you if you can guess it here!

Alright…the fellow on the left wears a Cheviot tweed topcoat in double breasted model (which has only four buttons) in a grayish (actually black and white) herringbone pattern. Suit is of navy unfinished worsted with faint stripes, shirt is of white with rather bold blue stripes and a white stiff collar, and tie is of dark blue satin with white spaced figures or can be of dots. Ribbed lisle hose, plain black calf shoes, black Homburg and yellow buck skin gloves.

The follow on the right wears a flat set derby, a blue Chesterfield that has a button through front with peak lapels (can be of the fly front model also), Grey Glen plaid Saxony suiting with a blue over-plaid and the soft blue shirt with lounge collar to match. The tie is a regimental stripe…navy with light blue, shoes are brown calf on a town last with perforated toe-caps and the light weight wool hose have horizontal stripes. Gloves are of reddish brown capeskin.

There were a few recommended accessories for men about town and you can view them through this link below.

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Let me ask you again…see anything unusual? Stumped? Read on… You see this is the trickery of 30s that separates it from the preceding decades. Here, the overcoat on the left belongs to the outfit on the right and vice versa. You have a tweedy cheviot coat matched up with the extremely citified suiting of blue striped worsted, black shoes and all that….then on the other hand we have a Glen plaid Saxony suiting with relaxed accessories…such as the soft lounge shirt, brown shoes, all rather suburban in nature…paired up with a citified peak lapel Chesterfield of blue. Right at this point…switch these two coats and see what happens? That is put the blue coat on the outfit at the left and the grey one on the right…immediately you will see that not only the coats “fit” right in but the difference between the two of them will drastically increase in terms of formality. Right now both of them are metropolitan looking and sit close by each other on the formality spectrum…yet soon after the switch this will no longer be the case.

What is the point of all this? Stunning concepts at work here. The balance between stiff formality and relaxed informality…. That is to raise the formality of an ensemble and to decrease it whenever the needs be, without altering the un-removable accessories such as shirt, ties etc. Again…study what they are trying to teach here… the idea behind this picture.

To further extend on what we discussed in the above illustration…here is another one. This one is from early 35’ winter season.

ImageImage 4-20-18 at 8.02 PM (2) by The London Lounge, on Flickr

Over here we have the extreme degrees of formality or “dressiness” for two men in town. The one on the left wears a suit of worsted flannel in an unusual dark blue-gray color on which the prominent “dusted” chalk stripes are of light blue color (more below). The suit is a DB 3-pc with lapel rolled to the bottom button with eight inch side vents at the back. The rest of the outfit consists of a blue broadcloth soft shirt with white cuffs and a starched collar, black and white check silk tie (another option of blue and white), plain black calf shoes and a (then) new bowler with the narrow flat brim, a navy chinchilla guard’s coat*, yellow chamois gloves, Malacca cane and the inevitable dark red carnation. Note the cut and length of the pants.

*Here is another presence of this extremely useful of a coat; the guard’s coat. Someday perhaps I will deal with this in extensive detail but till then just remember in how many different instances you have spotted it.

The fellow on the right wears a double breasted tweed overcoat, fur lined, with an otter collar, a single breasted Glen plaid Saxony suiting, green madras shirt with soft pinned collar, regimental (green, yellow and red) striped rep tie, brown suede shoes on a town last, green scratch felt homburg hat with stitched brim, and red capeskin gloves.

So for members who had a hard time trying to imagine the switch that I advised above…hopefully this picture will help considerably. Let go of the green hat and will see how close this fellow on the right is with the one who is in the car (above) sitting on the right side. Suiting, ties, shoes are all the same. The ensemble on the right is also suitable for country / suburban wear but the one on the right is strictly a metropolitan one. Here the formality difference on these two is quite a bit, which is enhanced by the topcoats that each gent carries.

…now about the “dusted” chalk stripes. These stripes are of such nature that is best represented in either woolen or worsted flannel. They are prominent or bold but lack the visible strength that you see often in the worsted striped suiting. The result is that only when you get close to the person you see prominent but less visible stripes that are barely noticeable from a distance. Again…these are not super thin / faint ones but lack the visibility effect due to the nature of the fabric. Usually speaking…for metropolitan use…if the pattern is large in nature or bold than it should be sedated visually or lack the visibility. It is a strange phenomenon that is best shown than explained.

In addition to this, you should also keep in mind the effect of darker stripes on a lighter ground, something that most people often over look… for example, a dark red stripe on a medium grey. Even though the stripe may be of the same visibility, if the ground on which it appears is changed, the results are radically different to view. This should be pretty easy to understand. You’re overall outcome of the ensemble is heavily dependent on how you balance / alternate between these two modes.

Below is a perfect example of what is explained above, i.e. darker stripes on a lighter ground. It is from early spring of 36’ and what an illustration it is…

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In addition to what was explained in last post of the series (regarding red stripe on a grey ground… the first illustration) this here follows pretty much the same principles. The effect here is much more subdued or sedated and eventually citified. This is a medium grey DB suit of worsted flannel with a dark oxford chalk stripe. Jacket is in “Kent” style, 4 buttons with lapel rolled to the bottom button. Here again, buttons are in a (slight) keystone configuration and jacket carries side vents at the back. Pants carry cuffs and minimal break. Shirt is of cream color with wide spread collar, tie is black in color with a lighter windowpane pattern and pocket square is white in color. Shoes are black straight tip punched, which are permissible for town wear. Note that the only presence of color in this ensemble is the deep maroon carnation. The word “Dull” surely comes to mind when viewing this…but there is much neatness and detail to look for… not to mention the fact that this (above) is utterly correct for business / town wear.

This is about as metropolitan as the lounge suits get… at least in color scheme. For me (personally) the last example of red and grey is much more pleasant to view but nevertheless it is indeed informal in nature. The primary reason for me to present this here, is that… not all dark stripes on light ground are for country / informal in nature. Since some members requested if I can find another picture to better illustrate this point, this should be more than sufficient to make the point clear.

I am presenting you with pictures of two DB chalk stripes that are very similar in nature. View them through the links below. The first one of Tyrone Power from his great 1947 film Noir “Nightmare Alley”

ImageImage 4-20-18 at 8.02 PM (4) by The London Lounge, on Flickr

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In these three picture observe the stripes. Take note of the fitting, shoulder line, lapel shape and how the whole ensemble is put together. Nothing short of marvelous. To see the fit of the suit…watch the movie, which is extremely good in its own right. Tyrone Power’s ensemble formality vise is close to the one in illustration above.

For a more nonchalant version of this, view these pictures of Douglas Fairbanks Jr. below…from his 1940 film “Angles over Broadway” with Rita Hayworth.

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ImageImage 4-20-18 at 8.02 PM (3) by The London Lounge, on Flickr

Here note the bold striped Db worn in quite a different manner. Observe the cut and the fit. That lapel is a favorite of Douglas Fairbanks Jr., I am referring to the sharp angle of the lapel. So you have two different ways of this DB chalk stripe to work with. Oh…and in case you are wondering, both of them have no-vents at the back. It took me a while to collect these pictures but as you known…nothing makes a point better than a visual depiction so I waited till I had the proper pictures to illustrate what I wanted to say.

Finally we move on to the last topic discussed in this…ahem rather “long” article. Since this is winter time and a season for many formal dinners and what not, I thought I may touch on the topic of dinner at home or a thing or two about smoking jackets. They are a weird topic as I didn’t felt including them in the formal wear article, which was about some six months ago. So…here they are now.

The topic of smoking jackets is an extensive one like most any other…with its rich history and stylistic changes that it endured. As always…this is not a history lesson and shouldn’t be. We are here to discuss what most can be used… where, when and how is what we are concerned with. So to explain really briefly…

These jackets have a glorious past dating back well into 19th century (in its current form), it went through many changes, naturally, as the time went by and now a days the term smoking jacket is confused up with right about anything in velvet or velveteen fabric. The classic colors are in wine, bottle green, brown, with maybe blue rarely. Black velvet jacket maybe a novel new idea but it has very little to no historic significance. It certainly “works” many will argue, perhaps better than the rest of the colors but I disagree. You see…wearing a “smoking” or velvet jacket in black defeats the very purpose it is suppose to serve…or at least severely mutilates it. The idea is that while at home or at ones club…the “rules” for guests are a lot strict than for the host. Here for once as a host you have a glorious opportunity to display color and be utterly correct and dignified. Now, why in the world you want to ruin that rare opportunity in favor for the dreaded old black?

But black velvet jackets lives on…like the black suit or the black trousers… no need to mourn that. Smoking jackets have different forms and levels of formality, which varies quite a bit. The most formal of them are the ones that closely resemble the dinner jacket with their simplicity and occasional silk facings. Yet…despite being “more” formal, they are NOT the most authentic or truer versions. For example Shawl lapels are to smoking jackets what notch-tab is to country / hacking, and peak lapel is to dinner jacket…i.e., the most correct and quintessential. Lapels can be self, silk faced or with old fashioned silk “quilting” effect. As with dinner jackets it can be in peak lapels also…plus the DB and SB versions. As far as notch lapels on these are concerned… I am not even going to touch that! Leave that to your own fancy. In shawl lapel version they can carry a decorative piping around the lapels and the pockets. The contrasting piping is present mostly on the jackets with sash closings, which are informal in nature to permit such a feature but it is self or in a dark color on jackets with “frog” closings.

There is another thing here, the topic of closures. “Frog” closings / Froggings are to smoking jackets what leather / horn buttons are to a tweedy sport coat. These are decorative in nature and hence reduce the formality but they are MOST correct. What is more formal is not necessarily the most correct or the most tasteful. These can be at the regular closings and at the cuffs, which can be simple…turn-over, silk faced or with gauntlets. The sash closings, while correct in nature are never appropriate for a dinning host…especially when a proper invitation is in order or when ladies are present.* I will explain this below. They are the least formal version of them and only a step above before it falls into the realm of sleepwear. That is where it crosses over with the “cocktail jacket”…a three quarter length jacket which usually has a sash closing and can be worn with most anything. These cocktail jackets often carry patterns and may be available in many different colors and fabrics, which again reduce the formality of the garment.

*This by the way is a post WWI era change. Prior to that, these house or smoking jackets were never to be worn in presence of ladies at all.

Enough explanations. Let me give you a visual idea of one of these jacket styles.

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Here you see the gent on the left is obviously the host and one on the right is the guest. The fellow at the left just returned from his work / business and wasn’t completely changed when the guest arrived for a cocktail / drink. Now, he simply removed his suit jacket and substituted it with a velvet jacket in bottle green color with silk facings. The cut is SB one button and it follow the lines of a dinner jacket. Here, he is completely correct and well attired because there is no dinner involved at the point, plus, there was no invitation to one. He can substitute the shirt, pants, tie, shoes and accessories with that of black tie and still be correct… albeit a tad too formal.

With this item you may with perfect and equal propriety wear either the clothes in which you came home from the office or change into dress shirt, tie and trousers and shoes. The choice depends chiefly on what you are going to do afterwards and on whether guests are likely to include those who are planning an evening involving dress

Nice… now observe the gent on the left again to see that his foulard tie and socks are also green…maybe he planned it or maybe he changed his socks…who knows? But this is one smart matching that he has done. The fellow on the right wears a cheviot lightweight 3-pc suit which carries blue stripes, blue broadcloth shirt with starched collar, striped dark navy tie, horizontal striped blue-gray hose and black calf shoes. In this instance again, notice the presence of blue is in suit, shirt, tie, and socks…yet the whole ensemble is not too terribly matched or is not too out of the ordinary. Only on a careful observation you will notice these things or read the “code” if you will.

Let’s say this being one of the instances…what about others when indeed a dinner is at hand and the guests are invited with ladies? Not to worry…we will discuss that also. This below is from winter 37-early 38’ season.

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Here is a whole rhapsody of red or wine color to be more exact. The main ensemble is most correct for the host with dinner at home. Many unique things (not to mention luxurious) are here so I will explain. View the picture below for a key number chart.

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Moving clockwise from top left we have…

1) Red velvet DB house jacket with piped pockets and discreet, self faced lapels.
2) Chairman of the board starched horizontal striped demi-bosom shirt with deep wine red silk satin tie. Here again, is the phenomenon explained in last article…on how to make horizontal stripe work. This here incidentally, is one heck of a formal shirt. What the fellow in the illustration above is doing with green, you may do it in red with ease.
3) The plain white silk knitted muffler goes anywhere successfully…and of course initials are flattering. By the way go easy with initials.
4) A stunning combination of midnight blue lisle socks with wine clocks, with red toes and heels.
5) Red lined black patent leather evening pumps, which are without welt construction and quite comfortable. Here you can also wear calf pumps or patent leather oxfords. However, it is wrong to wear either of these footwear without the full black-tie or white-tie garb. In other words if the gent in green jacket above were to wear these shoes… it would be incorrect.
6) Red lined black cowhide toilet kit for perfect grooming.
7) Deep red feather carnation, in the very best of taste. However, there exist a criticism that artificial flowers are “cheap” and “phony”…and a gentlemen should always use a “real” flower. I don’t quite buy that…phony or not… I don’t like to pluck flowers for my self adornment, especially if I have to do it a few times in a row. If I could ever find a tasteful feather carnation like this here… I would never feel guilty again.
8. Feed the conservatives on your list white linen initialed handkerchiefs which they can’t possibly give away next Christmas.
9) Always the good company, the Church Warden bruye’re pipe.
10) This 14k gold watch has a smart heavy gold link chain, on the other end of which dangles a pocket knife with a perpetual calendar thereon.
11) Black sharkskin billfold with bright red linings.
12) To the big boss from the boys: 14k gold cigarette case of handsome design.
13) Red topped leather cigarette box with gold tooling, nice library adornment.
14) Sterling silver cigarette box with porcelain lined lid and red cedar lined body.
15) As they say…”A good cigar is a smoke”…
16) A 4-in-1 folding red leather desk clock, thermometer, barometer and calendar for weather watchers.
17) Red pinseal bill fold…
18. Black leather tobacco pouch in the shape of a bill fold, with gold bound corners and stripes oil skin lining.
19) “And in a grayer note, red and black striped silk tobacco pouch.
20)Red and black charged water maker and squirter with chrome top.

So what does this actually look like, one may ask? That is the combination of red and black in a formal setting. This below is from winter 34’ season.

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If I have to pick 10 of my favorite formal wear illustrations from a count of thousands that appeared between the years of 1931-49, this above would be one of those ten for sure. On the left you have the guest and on the right, the host of the evening. At left is a classic black-tie garb, which even though correct in every form, is a bit informal mainly because of the absence of vest. Proper for a guest when invited to a black-tie dinner; the jacket is SB one button shawl lapel, shirt is a semi-soft pleated with a high wing collar, black butterfly tie, patent leather oxfords, and last but not least the “indispensable” red carnation. This is correct for evening wear in country / suburbs also.

On the right is exactly the velvet jacket of pervious picture worn with the complete black-tie attire. Jacket is in wine color, which again is an English invention. Jacket is DB buttoned at middle position and notice the buttoning of outer flap only… another famous Astaire trick. Lapels and buttons in the case are self faced and the jacket is non-vented. Worn here with it is a white silk shirt with collar attached, black dress tie, midnight blue trousers, and patent leather evening pumps. Note the white carnation here instead of a red one.

This outfit on the right is correct with black-tie attire, white-tie or your regular lounge suit (minus jackets in all cases). However, as I explained above if wearing with suit pants, shirt and tie then shoes also must be accordingly. Here take note of the extremely “straight” razor like line of the pants. No break on both instances… though with evening wear many prefer breaks. If you can see from the illustration where pleats are…you will also realize how high these trousers are worn. This of course is combined with the shorter jacket to elongate everything vertically as much as possible.

Below observe the pictures of Astaire through links. This is from his 1948 film “Easter Parade”.

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ImageImage 4-20-18 at 8.04 PM (2) by The London Lounge, on Flickr

Here you will see him getting ready for a formal dinner at home (with Judy Garland in this case), and hence the proper black-tie accessories. Note the frog closings and the deep silk faced cuffs. This smoking jacket also carry a black colored piping around the lapel edges. This is one of the most correct smoking jacket styles that you can wear. Jacket is of deep wine color and silk facings are of a brighter red but they can also be self faced.

Before…I wrap everything up I think I need to mention the velvet monogrammed slippers, as I feel somebody may ask about them. Well…where do they exactly fit? Speaking strictly of rules… they have no place with black-tie / white-tie accessories…in other words at a proper dinner table. They are a great compliment to the sash closing smoking jacket or the cocktail jacket but NOT the two kinds that I have presented above. They fall much more closely in the realm of sleepwear than dinner attire.

Again, history has much to do with this. First of all decoration on them makes them considerably informal than any of the above mentioned shoes. Moreover, the idea behind the smoking jacket was that… gentlemen in the evening could easily slip into one of these when the ladies were not present and at dinner time (may that be black or white tie) all that was required for them to change was the jacket… and thereby they could properly present themselves at the dinner table. Were they to wear these monogrammed slippers… they would have to change the shoes also because it was not a permissible kind of footwear with dinner clothes. But… these are Old rules and you need not lose any sleep over them because few will ever know …let alone care. I just thought I should clarify this up before somebody gets emotional over them. No worries!


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SECTION III OF THIS ARTICLE

Below is an article relating to tweeds. It goes over various types of tweeds and I thought I should mention it now because we have discussed quite a few tweed items in these last two posts. It is a genuine winter fabric though can be used in other weathers also. It is one of the 3 quintessential fabrics that every man must own, the other two being flannel and linen. You may have heard this note from Mr. Alden before as he is indeed a tweed fan. If I remember correctly, I think he said that tweed is the most emotive of all three… I personally think its flannel. Yet I can certainly hear another shout favoring linen instead of these two. But I will give you my reasons as to why I think flannel is the most versatile and critical of all three.

There is certainly not much argument to the comment that there is something quite tasteful about Tweed, Flannel and Linen. Tweed is primarily a winter fabric mainly because of its weight and its purpose… at least how it is traditionally thought of. Its rough nature and extreme weight makes it harder to pair up with other fabrics. True, you can vary the weight and try many interesting options as presented above but it still is on the heavy side of the spectrum. If there is another fabric that it merges divinely with, that will be flannel. The almost exact same story goes for linen… because of its porous nature it is primarily a summer fabric but can be worn in fall and spring months also. Linen also like tweed, pairs up quite well with flannel but being on the extreme other side of the spectrum it never quite blends in with tweed. They create a really odd combination and to make tweed and linen work together you will have to (heavily) alter at least one of their characteristics as to relate to the each another. Either you will loose the weights in tweeds to come up to the flannel level or you will have to make linen extremely coarse and heavy so that you can pair it up with tweeds & not look so odd. In either of these cases…they will lose a big portion of their inherent qualities and what they are “supposed” to serve.

This is where I think flannel jumps in. It is its range that makes it immensely more useful than either linen or tweed. It can harmonize most tweedy fabrics (when in heavy weights), on the other hand work remarkably well with linens in lighter weights. Pairing up an odd tweed or linen jacket with grey flannel slacks is almost like a no brainier. Flannel (in my opinion) bridges the gap that is present between the other two fabrics and none of these other two have the range in weights or patterns… that flannel offers. In addition to working well with tweeds and linen…it is gorgeous in its own right.

…that was my short little argument in favor of flannel. Either way, all these three fabrics are cornerstone of most well attired men. For the time being… we will discuss tweeds as that is the matter at hand. This is from fall months of 34’.

CONCERNING TWEEDS

How hand looms in the cottages of the Scotch and Irish uplands form and inspire today’s tweeds


From Skye on the west coats of Scotland, across the turbulent Little Minch, it was the time of Samuel Johnson, a day’s sailing to the isle of Harris. There, in company with Boswell, Johnson feasted with the fat lairds of the isle, and exchanged his smooth conversation for swatches of rough tweed. Even then the crofters of the isle of Harris and the neighboring isle of Lewis were weaving the stout fabrics which today are the favorite suiting stuff of sportsmen the world over. Into the thatched stone cottages of the crofters, redolent with the odors of burning peat, went the London man of letters. He saw the crofters at their primitive looms. He saw the tough wool strands, vegetable dyed, taking on the colors of the earth, the heather, and the gray pebbles of the streams. He marveled at the skill of the weavers. Back in London again, whenever Samuel Johnson brought forth his tweeds, he noticed the odor of peat still clinging to the fabrics, just as today you can tell a genuine Harris tweed by the characteristic aroma damp weather always brings out.

Unsurpassed for color and texture is the Irish nubbed Donegal tweed, a hard finished tweed produced in County Donegal in Ireland, and in certain parts of Scotland. Often it is woven in black and white, the justly popular “salt and pepper” fabric for country clothes. This fall,* however, you will see plenty of these suitings, considerably lighter in weight** and flecked with a multitude of colors, worn in town. Sportsmen often favor the coarse Irish homespun resembling burlap, hand-woven by peasants in the outlying districts of Ireland.


*Fall being of 34’.

**Do not mistake this phrase “lighter in weight” for light weight fabric of today. They are referring to some at least 12-13oz weight… as 15-16 oz was considered medium and 18-20oz heavy back then. Often, odd jackets to be worn for outdoor sports and other activities, were recommended in 22 oz weight. Keep this in mind when reading remainder of the article.

Probably the most useful material in the tweed family is the Shetland tweed* woven on the Shetland Islands and in many counties of Scotland. Rarely dyed, the wool derives its distinctive colorings from the natural color of the sheep, which vary from the deep brown of the black Shetland, through a grayish tan (dubbed “natural”) to the light cream shade of the white Shetland. Fresh from the looms, Shetland tweed has a soft luxurious “handle,” and when rubbed up by wear, small knots appear of the fabric giving it a rough and shaggy look so much admired by men who affect the really masculine attire. The thickness of Shetland tweed makes it a favorite fabric for cold weather, and even during the warm months men like it because it is porous and never clings to the body.

*A criticism of Shetland tweed (and a valid one at that) is that when made into a suit, the pants tend to lose their shape rather quickly and bag out at knees for example. This happens primarily due to its “loose” weave nature which also is responsible (at least partly) for its softness. To fans of Shetland tweed this is no criticism of much merit and they simply continue to wear suits in the wonderful fabric, even if they have to order at least two pants per suit. This was certainly the US campuses fabric par excellence… at least for Sports jackets.

Cheviot sheep wandering the Cheviot Hills of Scotland give up the silky strands of wool which are woven into cheviot tweeds. So popular now for town clothing, this tweed is lighter in weight than all others, and feels soft and cool to the touch. In no other tweed are colors so clearly expressed.

Today more than ever in tweeds, pattern is accented, and daily becomes more intriguing to the eye. Essentially for country wear are the Scottish district checks, whose history is the history of the wild highland clans—their rugged landscape, the futile warfare, the romance in the novels of Sir Walter Scott. Untutored in the art of camouflage, these doughty forerunners of the modern tacticians solved the problem of military disguise by designing fabrics with protective colorings for their followers. As each clan leader solved the problem in his own way, the Tartan patterns became uniform within the clan. Thus were born in the distinctive district checks. Although imaginary “sets” invented by later manufactures have thrown doubt upon the authenticity of much of the Tartan heraldry, without question the plaid patterns of today are directly inspired by the patterns evolved as clan insignia and disguise during the decades when the Mac Gregors and Mac Donalds were at each others’ throats. Few plaids have earned the popularity accorded the Glen Urquharts,* whose bold and colorful designs excite and please the eye.


*There is much to be explained here regarding vital facts about Glen-plaids and other checks. Unfortunately, this post is going to be long enough as it is and hence I have no choice but to postpone these for the time being.

From the original mind of the English sportsman, Lord Lovat, came the idea for lovat, one of the outstanding color creations of recent years. Whenever you see one of many browns or blue grays with a subtle under-cast of pale green you know it is lovat. Browns and tans of all shades, black and white effects, and blue grays continue their popularity, while the sporting set, having taken the bolder district plaids to themselves, are wearing sport jackets illuminated by the deepest reds.*

*Remember the grey and bold red over plaid district check I presented in “Duke of Windsor” post? That was called Red-Mohr and is a superb example of this. See that thread for further info.

English sportsmen, shooting grouse on the Scottish moors where the weather changes abruptly with the wind, were the first to adopt tweeds, and there these fabrics have proven their supremacy over all others. It is said that every Englishman has at least one suit of tweeds in his wardrobe, and that no Englishman would think of taking a holiday in the country without one. In the United States, until recently, when leisure time ceased to be looked upon as wasted time, men seldom went into country. Held to their desks by that intensity of purpose which has characterized Americans in the past, men largely ignored the tweed suiting usually designed for rougher wear. But just as the fabrics of the isle of Harris reflected the natural colorings of the surrounding landscape, so did the bankers’ grays and hard worsteds reflect the somber atmosphere of the depression. And now, emotions pent-up by the long worries are being released, and you can see men in the metropolitan areas breaking forth into color again, wearing clothes that might have been an insult to their sad-eyed confreres no more than a year ago. Lightweight tweeds are appearing in increasing numbers on city streets, and many of these suits have patch pockets and sport backs.* Topcoats of lightweight tweed have been long popular in this country, and for town wear, the balmacaan, the raglan shoulder coat and the double breasted Ulster recommended themselves. The reversible coat of Harris tweed and gabardine are popular with the university men today.

*They mean belted back jackets, also known as “fancy” backs often with bi-swing pleats at the blades on back of the jacket.

Fashion scouts, sensing the swing to tweeds on the eastern campuses, discovered that groups of Yale and Princeton men traveling abroad during their summer vacations rubbed shoulders with the wealthy rural gentry of England and Scotland, and learned about tweeds from them. Returning home in the fall of 1931 they set the stage with a fabric ideally adapted the smart informality of the Yale and Princeton class room. The introduction of “drape” and “line,” the desire for softer suitings, augmented the demand for tweeds which afford the widest scope for the new designs, and quickened the return to broader models, the Norfolk jacket, belted backs, patch pockets, leather buttons and longer coats.*

*Take note of all these changes. Many of these are explained above in the university related article.

In the afternoon at swank cocktail bars in London one sees younger men dressed in the easy fitting, lightweight tweed suits, and here and there you are apt to surprise a sleeveless sweater, buckskin shoes, and a bowler. Except for the sweater and the buckskin shoes, you’ll see the same aristocratic nonchalance in dress at the most fashionable beverage haunts in the East.

During the past few years retail merchants have seen prospective customers cast wishful glances in the direction of a tweed suit in the window displays, and then have watched them walk on without buying. But today it appears that tweeds are becoming less and less the objects of window gazing, and more and more the objectives of an immediate purchase.


Well…this is it! Probably the longest post I am likely to write. I don’t know how many more of these I can do…but till then, read and enjoy.


END OF THE LAST SECTION III OF THIS ARTICLE.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:31 pm

Etutee, normally I hate it when people interrupt an opera performance with their (usually ill advised) applause. And yet, reading your article I was jumping up and shouting "Bravo!".

Thank you.

I am lost for words what else to say.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:52 am

Dear etutee, (I am sorry, I don't know your real name, sir)

Thanks again for the tremendous effort for the article. I may not be the first, nor the brightest, but I will make this offer anyway...if there is any way I can be of assistance in writing these articles - alas I won't be able to contribute substance, but I will be happy to run scans, edit pictures anotate them with your remarks, format articles, host them in my website, etc, I would be most happy to. Please do let me know how I can help and make these wonderful articles less of a burden to you.

We are learning a tremendous amount from them, and they are destined for the halls of fame of any man interested in the apparel arts.

May the force be with you.

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:43 am

Brilliant,

Thank you very much for taking the time to put together such a post.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:15 am

Brilliant, as always. Thank you.

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:59 pm

At the end of last month I was looking for another chapter in your ongoing series to educate all of your readers. Frankly, I consider your communications and content as a gift. I guess good things come to those that wait.

Many, many thanks.

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Much appreciated for the wealth of detail. Thank you!
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Absolutely brilliant! Thank you for the hard work that you have obviously put into it.

The pictures came through perfectly!
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:56 pm

Etutee

Once again, thank you so much for these treasured and brilliant articles. Inspirational.
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:40 pm

A few years ago I was invited by a friend to spend the day in the company of a personal guide for a visit of the city of Palermo. The thought of spending the day with a guide worried me a bit. It was something I had never done before. My imagination had me paired with a retired university type who would occupy me with long tirades of detail and tedious minutiae for hours and hours.

To my utter relief a very charming young lady met me at the hotel. We went on a walk together through Palermo for over ten hours. It was a most delightful day. The young lady excelled as a guide and companion because she was able to communicate the essence of a place or scene in a few well chosen words. There was no fluff, excess or dross. Just a few well chosen words that hit the bulls eye every time. She knew her subject well and her enthusiasm for it was infectious. I am quite sure I could never have learned as much about the capital city of Sicily in a quicker or better way.

Etutee’s works have the same effect on me. He takes us on a tour of masculine elegance. Equally guide, savant and co-conspirator he opens the readers eyes to details as a way of communicating the sensibility of an era, a mode, a trend, or a rule of etiquette. He consistently finds a way to extend the circle of observation of elegance in a bygone time into our own time in a way that seems very natural and unforced. If you are like me, you probably come away from his posts with a few clear ideas for your tailor or merchant.

Get some well deserved rest dear Etutee. You have surpassed yourself once again.

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Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:02 am

I have added another illustration in the section II of this post. Some members have requested me to post a picture with something in darker stripes on a lighter ground that was not so “sporty” or “suburban” in nature (like the illustration with a gent on the plane…first illustration last post). So, keeping that in mind I have found a beautiful picture that depicts this point even better.

Kindly view section II of this post to see the illustration from Spring 36’ (DB grey with oxford / charcoal stripes).

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Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:44 am

The next Cloth Club project?

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Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:49 pm

ibucephalus wrote:The next Cloth Club project?
I looked through some cloth books today and found nothing like this. I would love to make something like this my next year-round weight business suit project. Has anyone seen a cloth like this in the current merchants’ offerings.

Alden - are you tempted?
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