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castiglione
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:10 pm

Pierre Spies wrote:Yes In fact maybe do not skip LaDurée, it still is a nice moment to spend.

Another idea : you can consider eating at the Jules Verne, restaurant in the Tour Eiffel; Pretty good food, and the view is naturally great.

My experience at the Jules Verne, view excepted, is poor. Yet I am definitely at loss of words by your knowledge of Paris, congratulations. Very modestly: right in front of the Parc Luxembourg there is a superb confectionery to be added to the no less superb view, Dalloyau. The place to be is upstairs and the pastry I always had and have is brioche. Coffee excellent too.
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:36 pm

Pierre Spies wrote: Regarding places to act all lazy in summer afternoons I'd recommend:

- Jardin du Luxembourg. Don't forget to pay a visit to:
a) Patisserie Mulot (http://www.gerard-mulot.com/ 76 rue de Seine): their orange/Cinnamon macaron is to die for. Forget LaDurée. Other delicacies I'd recommend would be the Amarylis (cake made of two macaron shell, filled with creme patissiere, raspberries and almonds mmmh)
b) Chocolate maker Patrick Roger (http://www.patrickroger.com/en/index.php 108 boulevard Saint Germain): forget about Pierre Hermé. Best quality in town (IMO). His feuilleté noir will take you to heaven. (If you need confirmation on this, just ask Costi ;))
c) all the art galeries down the rue de Seine and rue des Beaux arts
d) go have a drink at the bar of "L'Hotel", rue des beaux arts: really nice atmosphere and good cocktails.
A slightly dissenting opinion on the parisian delicacies topic.
I do not like much Patisserie Mulot. I have tried their chocolates and a chocolate cake (I think) and both were not great. After this disappointing experience, I was not tempted to try anything else. I have read very good reviews about it and I found it overrated.
I think Ladurée's macarons are still very good and Pierre Hermé's ones are worth a try (but pricey).
Patrick Roger is interesting but I prefer Marcolini (who is Belgian though) and Hevin.
castiglione wrote:
Pierre Spies wrote:Yes In fact maybe do not skip LaDurée, it still is a nice moment to spend.

Another idea : you can consider eating at the Jules Verne, restaurant in the Tour Eiffel; Pretty good food, and the view is naturally great.

My experience at the Jules Verne, view excepted, is poor. Yet I am definitely at loss of words by your knowledge of Paris, congratulations. Very modestly: right in front of the Parc Luxembourg there is a superb confectionery to be added to the no less superb view, Dalloyau. The place to be is upstairs and the pastry I always had and have is brioche. Coffee excellent too.
I have no personal experience of the Jules Verne but I heard the same. Except the view (and the bill), nothing great.
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:47 pm

lambert wrote:
A slightly dissenting opinion on the parisian delicacies topic.
I do not like much Patisserie Mulot. I have tried their chocolates and a chocolate cake (I think) and both were not great. After this disappointing experience, I was not tempted to try anything else. I have read very good reviews about it and I found it overrated.
I think Ladurée's macarons are still very good and Pierre Hermé's ones are worth a try (but pricey).
Patrick Roger is interesting but I prefer Marcolini (who is Belgian though) and Hevin
To each his own... Was your experience with Mulot recent? I must admit there must have been a few months since I've been there, but I remember a chocolate cake which was pretty great (to my taste). Pretty surprised by your preference for hevin, which I find is a bit...dull.
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:51 pm

Last week I went back to Le Cinq, and was not impressed. Like many restaurants, they have given in to applying Emirs prices to their carte, which is infuriating. 220€ for the Menu Degustation is already expensive, but it becomes crazy when the experience is just good and not great. Atmosphere is still nice.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:43 pm

castiglione wrote: Very modestly: right in front of the Parc Luxembourg there is a superb confectionery to be added to the no less superb view, Dalloyau. The place to be is upstairs and the pastry I always had and have is brioche. Coffee excellent too.
I agree with Castigione. Although Dalloyau has recently gone from artisanal to "industrial" chain, their tea room at the Place Rostand would indeed make a nice stop after strolling by Parc Luxembourg.
But I think that the place to be is at one of the tiny tables outside, with your back against the windows of the shop. Ideal for people watching. If it is too chilly, warm up with a hot chocolate. My favorite pastry to go along is the Saint Honoré Chantilly mini cake.
Regarding the brioche: I love to slice it horizontally in three (the top with the knob plus two disks) and spread it with some fruit preserve. If you can slice it without destroying it, and can convince a Parisian waiter to toast the three pieces just a bit, then you have really made it.
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:14 pm

Dear Hector. Point taken, I will slice the brioche "english style". Or "hector style" though I imagine Hector, the real one, slicing other objects right in front of the Trojan walls. As to the waiters, well, in Dalloyau mine they were always lovely maids, french, of course. Therefore trying to convince them is a different pair of shoes. Never tried never will. Enjoy their charm is enough. I´d love to be there right now, oh God, the gods of nostalgy.
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:30 pm

Castiglione, if I ever see a man sitting outside a Parisian café slicing his brioche in that style I will know it can only be you (or maybe I´ll recognize you first by the long cape) :)
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:17 am

The chances you will have to see me with a long cape are slim. I cannot find it. The gods of moving disposed of my old friend, I am afraid. I was willing to take it to Benson and Clegg for the clip thing. His job with the badge was superb. But the cape is MIA. I only used it for black tie events, anyhow. And I favour Dalloyau upstairs étage. Anyway, as a homage to your eccentric behaviour I promise to have my brioches sliced in your way next time I visit Dalloyau. Cheers.
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Rosa bonheur has been mentioned several times. Other outdoor venues would be Bagatelle (in the bois de boulogne), Longchamp (the race course turns into an open air club> interesting space, similar sort of crowd to l'arc however, which isn't my cup of tea) and Wanderlust, which is a restaurant cum massive terrace that turns into a club and then moves inside; it's at the Institut Francais de la Mode which is overhanging the Seine. (a dramatic space, which has a good ambience, if a little bobo like the rest of paris.)

The Experimental Cocktail Club on rue saint saveur is a discreet cocktail bar with excellent drinks.

The beef club is a steakhouse (open very late) that has a ballroom (read good cocktail bar) hidden underneath, speakeasy style. Run by the same teams as curio parlour/prescription cocktail club, which is a good indication.

L/inconnu opened near me recently by a mixed team, quite a few from Chez Carmen. It's good for coffee/day drinking in the chesterfields, and Kevin the bilingual bartender has perked me up several times by inventing cocktails for me or literally perking me up with a coffee martini, which should be disgusting but surprisingly isn't.

Le pompon is old school cool, but unless you want it crowded full of models, fashion girls and the creatives/hype followers of paris go during the week when it's emptier. I like Tuesdays. (The trick being that as a twentysomething fashion girl i can go at either time, but I'm actually a 90 year old man at heart and I like listening to a bit of everything). They made up a drink for me and it involves a pint of champagne and roses, so they bought me early on.

La 25e Heure is a tiny ex whorehouse that's become an intimate, cozy hidden club, where you ring the bell to get in. Ugo is one of the owners and a fantastic bartender, though i don't think there's an actual menu (that i've found, at any rate). It's full of artbooks and vintage furniture.

Candelaria is a great taco place. but it also has a speakeasy bar with one of the best cocktail selections in the world (they have actually been nominated in so many international competitions/awards. both as an institution and separately as individual bartenders). I like going early for an apero when it's less crowded.

Le Fumoir is quite old school. opposite the Louvre. But there's a long wait. I don't really like waiting.

L’Hotel Particulier is another semi-secret bar in l‘Hotel Particulier Montmartre, which was the Hermes family residence and is now a hotel. You have to make a reservation, then ring at the door and ask to boire un verre. It's all rather clandestine.

I know there's a pop up club opposite the eiffel tower near the baron this summer, called La Guinguette Eiffel. I haven't bothered wandering over yet, I'm a creature of habit and like spending time in my cocktail bars, neighbourhood bars (Pompon/l\inconnu/Chez Jeannette/le Progres/couer fou/Le temps des cerises/chez prune) or by the Canal saint martin. I also venture to Tigre, Baron, Silencio, Bus Palladium, Favela Chic, Pop in and the normal parisian haunts, but those don't really fit the description given...

L'acte 3 on rue Quincampoix is another one of those clandestine unsigned cocktail affairs. Management has been pilfered from Baron and costes, i believe, or at least a significant portion thereof. Reasonably priced drinks. food. Lots of lesbians, because it's near the gay area and because one of them used to work at an infamous lesbian club.

Le p'tit bar in the eleventh is run by mme paulo. She is an authentic character. There is a cat. called wa oooh. There are about three seats. But she is fascinating. Speak french.

Le Café Rouge looks like a normal brasserie with chairs and tables but it's actually deceptively massive and has two mezzanines (each with a different vibe), a lounge with a fireplace, huge Chesterfield sofas, a chandelier and a piano. A magazine i work with like to have their meetings on the top floor, and it's near my regular cafe (Merce and the muse) where i go to find decent coffee in paris.

Le Forum has earned its reputation as one of the finest cocktail bars in Paris.

Le Petit Fer à Cheval is miniscule but charming.
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:55 am

LX has reminded me that its about time we have an LL meeting in Paris. We have a good group of members in residence and some of you Londoners and Euros might make the trip over. We might get Pierre Duboin to tell us everything we ever wanted to know about shirts, and invite Fox down for a speech on flannels. What do you say?

Cheers
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:24 pm

Great idea Michael! I would consider making the trip, if I can make it.

cheers, david
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Any dates in mind? This will require some planning.
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:05 pm

hectorm wrote:Any dates in mind? This will require some planning.

Surely, doing it by way of supplying dates to avoid is the best way, non?
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Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:23 am

I think it would be good fun an interesting. Would definitely be a part of it (might reconsider if planned at the Chandelles...) ;)
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Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:30 am

Oh and to whomever shall be interested, another place has been getting a lot of hype these past months and rightfully so: Café A, near gare de l'Est. Set in a former convent, it has a really nice courtyard isolated fr the busy streets by big walls which make it a really nice place to have a cafe in the afternoon or a drink with friends in the night. Worth to be mentioned, beer (random lager) is reasonably priced, which is rare in Paris.
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