Two clothing history books, out of print and forthcoming

"The brute covers himself, the rich man and the fop adorn themselves, the elegant man dresses!"

-Honore de Balzac

Frog in Suit
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Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:05 pm

NJS,

Congratulations and best wishes for the success of your book. I shall pre-order it from Amazon, of course.

A slight quibble, though: Isn't the phrase "What the Well-Dressed Man is Wearing" © Dahlia Travers, trading as Milady's Boudoir?

I think we should be told :wink: .

Frog in Suit
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:04 am

couch wrote:Thank you, NJS, for this glimpse of the book and its making, and you, Costi, for green-lighting the project, as the movie people say. Your book sounds like a unique and valuable addition to the shelf on the subject, and I will look forward to receiving my copy.

I note that you have prudently, after having been admitted to the London sanctuaries and their secrets, put an ocean between yourself and them prior to publishing your findings :wink:

One day--and that day may never come--I will ask of you a favor. At a retrocentric rendezvous, I will proffer my copy and and a pen, and ask you to sign it. For the family.

Cheers!
Thank you, couch. i think that I have gone two oceans away because (as I have sometimes said and, sometimes, maybe, said too much), there are certain things that I just do not want to see completely unfold ; although I hope that there is nothing in the book, which could inspire any maker to feel a wish to hunt me down. It might evidence some omissions but this is owing to limits of space. It is, maybe in the spirit of the LL, in praise of London - and some other British - makers and, perhaps, it is partisan to that extent but I can write only of what I know. As for signing - it will be a pleasure and so I hope that the day does come.
best,
NJS
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:11 am

Frog in Suit wrote:NJS,

Congratulations and best wishes for the success of your book. I shall pre-order it from Amazon, of course.

A slight quibble, though: Isn't the phrase "What the Well-Dressed Man is Wearing" © Dahlia Travers, trading as Milady's Boudoir?

I think we should be told :wink: .

Frog in Suit
Thank you, Frog in Suit - the origin of the sub-title is fully acknowledged in the book - although the documents evidencing whether Bertie W actually assigned the copyright in the article (which she commissioned him to write), to Aunt Dahlia is lost - as some idiot seems to have spilled cream from a hastily snatched cow-creamer over the paperwork and even the skills of Jeeves have, as I write, failed to unveil the truth of the matter.... :lol:
NJS
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:43 am

Bishop of Briggs wrote:At least he did not invent an Italian sounding psueudonym , e.g. Nicholas Sartoriani. 8)
As The Suit was, in part, a fine play upon The Prince, the Italianate pen name added to the fun.
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:59 am

RWS wrote:As The Suit was, in part, a fine play upon The Prince, the Italianate pen name added to the fun.
Nicholas Antongiavanni wrote a beautiful book. By the time I first read The Suit, I did not notice the first name mentioned in the dedicatory: MICHAEL ALDEN, our most beloved host, assuming He will forgive me for this hyperboles. On the following page, after the dedicatory, a further work by Nicholas Antongiavanni is mentioned: Discourses on the First Decade of Apparel Arts. Does anybody know whether what was presented as a “forthcoming” publication ever came to be printed? Considering that Machiavelli himself deemed the Principality as form of government far less stable and legitimate than the Republic, where the Libertà of the Popolo is guaranteed, and which constitutes the subject matter of the Discourses, I assume that, with his “forthcoming” book, Antongiavanni intends to bestow upon his readers something still more impressive than his former work.
Frog in Suit
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:46 am

May I make a suggestion:

Why not combine a book-signing session of NJS's opus, with a Retrocentrics (or LL at large) lunch meeting? One could be held in each major city were enough members reside.

Frog in Suit
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:51 am

Frog in Suit wrote:May I make a suggestion:

Why not combine a book-signing session of NJS's opus, with a Retrocentrics (or LL at large) lunch meeting? One could be held in each major city were enough members reside.

Frog in Suit
I have to say that I like this idea - a World Tour. 8) By the way how was M&M?
NJS
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:42 am

storeynicholas wrote:
Frog in Suit wrote:May I make a suggestion:

Why not combine a book-signing session of NJS's opus, with a Retrocentrics (or LL at large) lunch meeting? One could be held in each major city were enough members reside.

Frog in Suit
I have to say that I like this idea - a World Tour. 8) By the way how was M&M?
NJS
Dear NJS,

M & M are a pleasure to visit as ever. I have PM'd you.

The blazer and grey trousers needed a bit of tweaking and the 3 piece SB lounge (Smith Woollens 3949, a 13 oz. middle grey with faint white pinstripes, a hint of herringbone, a hint of blue...) will look super, I think. I am seeing Mr Munday again in ten days, in Paris this time.

We used he other fitting room this time. From framed letters/orders/photographs on the wall, it appears that Baden Powell, Captain Oates (one of Scott's unfortunate companions on his last expedition) and Leopold II of Belgium were once customers. Also, M & M had once shops in both Paris (rue Marbeuf) and Vienna....

I spent just about three hours in London, including the Tube trips from and to St. Pancras and managed to visit Meyer & Mortimer (twice), Benson & Clegg, New & Lingwood, Swaine Adeney Brigg and finally Lock's. I also bought a few magazines. Dashed efficient, what?

I had to rush because of Eurostar's current, post-tunel fire, reduced schedule.

Frog in Suit
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:00 pm

Frog in Suit wrote:
storeynicholas wrote:
Frog in Suit wrote:May I make a suggestion:

Why not combine a book-signing session of NJS's opus, with a Retrocentrics (or LL at large) lunch meeting? One could be held in each major city were enough members reside.

Frog in Suit
I have to say that I like this idea - a World Tour. 8) By the way how was M&M?
NJS
Dear NJS,

M & M are a pleasure to visit as ever. I have PM'd you.

The blazer and grey trousers needed a bit of tweaking and the 3 piece SB lounge (Smith Woollens 3949, a 13 oz. middle grey with faint white pinstripes, a hint of herringbone, a hint of blue...) will look super, I think. I am seeing Mr Munday again in ten days, in Paris this time.

We used he other fitting room this time. From framed letters/orders/photographs on the wall, it appears that Baden Powell, Captain Oates (one of Scott's unfortunate companions on his last expedition) and Leopold II of Belgium were once customers. Also, M & M had once shops in both Paris (rue Marbeuf) and Vienna....

I spent just about three hours in London, including the Tube trips from and to St. Pancras and managed to visit Meyer & Mortimer (twice), Benson & Clegg, New & Lingwood, Swaine Adeney Brigg and finally Lock's. I also bought a few magazines. Dashed efficient, what?

I had to rush because of Eurostar's current, post-tunel fire, reduced schedule.

Frog in Suit
Dear Frog in Suit,
You had a busy day but what better way to spend time? I knew of M&M's former Paris shop but not of the one in Vienna. Captain Oates is a great hero and, maybe, deserves a diversion here: frost-bitten worse than the rest of the party, he felt that he was slowing them down on their return and, although they refused to abandon him, Captain Scott recorded that Oates told them that he was just going outside 'and might be some time'. Scott added that it was the act of a brave man and an English gentleman; reflected in a memorial, which presumably still stands out in those frozen wastes Hereabouts died a very gallant gentleman
NJS
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:47 pm

I see that I have not paid close enough attention to upcoming publishing events in the sartorial arts. Congratulations NJS on your upcoming book! I will await a Retrocentrics Club meeting to get mine signed also.

Cheers,
Joel
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:26 pm

jb wrote:I see that I have not paid close enough attention to upcoming publishing events in the sartorial arts. Congratulations NJS on your upcoming book! I will await a Retrocentrics Club meeting to get mine signed also.

Cheers,
Joel
Thankyou jb.
NJS
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:54 pm

NJS,

I also look very much forward to reading your book. :D

Other than that, I would agree that Chenoune's History of Men's Fashion is a very nice book indeed but not rather helpful. E.g. I enjoyed reading the Esquire's Encyclopedia of 20th Century Men's Fashions way more.

Lately, I came across this book: http://www.amazon.com/Fairchild-Encyclo ... 544&sr=1-1
So far, I only flipped through once so I cannot really make a judgement yet...
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:10 pm

le.gentleman wrote:NJS,

I also look very much forward to reading your book. :D

Other than that, I would agree that Chenoune's History of Men's Fashion is a very nice book indeed but not rather helpful. E.g. I enjoyed reading the Esquire's Encyclopedia of 20th Century Men's Fashions way more.

Lately, I came across this book: http://www.amazon.com/Fairchild-Encyclo ... 544&sr=1-1
So far, I only flipped through once so I cannot really make a judgement yet...
Thank you le.gentleman. The Fairchild book looks, from the link, to be quite a big book and if it includes a lot of good illustrations, I am sure is very worth reading. I like Farid Chenoune's book especially for the great care taken with the illustrations.
NJS
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:11 pm

NJS:

I can't wait to add your book to my haberdashery library. The cover alone looks great, I sincerely wish you all the best of luck with the sale of this book.

Best Regards,

Cufflink79
storeynicholas

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:38 pm

Cufflink79 wrote:NJS:

I can't wait to add your book to my haberdashery library. The cover alone looks great, I sincerely wish you all the best of luck with the sale of this book.

Best Regards,

Cufflink79
cufflink 79 Many thanks to you.
NJS
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