Glance inside Borrelli

"The brute covers himself, the rich man and the fop adorn themselves, the elegant man dresses!"

-Honore de Balzac

zegnamtl
Posts: 141
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:45 pm
Contact:

Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:08 am

Forgive the cross post, but for those who may be interested,
the text is cut out of text that will be destined for other uses, so forgive if some of it speaks below the readership here.


The Borrelli suit factory is just a little over 5 years old, but the master tailor who keeps eye over the operations is a Napoli veteran and former Kiton master tailor.

Luigi Borrelli started his shirt shop in Naples making 30 shirts per day and he and his son Fabio have grown the company to become the corner stone of Napoli shirt makers, the largest, with an daily out put of 700 shirts.

Since Fabio has taken the helm of the company, they have expanded to three buildings in the industrial suburbs of Naples, one houses a suit shop, another the tie shop, and the main operations of the shirt and single unit pant shop are in the third unit, none of which bear the family name or crest on the door, but rather small discreet signs identifying the shops only to those who know what they have come looking for.

Mr. Gennaro Cuocolo explains the importance of the home workers that Borrelli continues to use to finish many of the hand worked details. Each of the 3 shops are run with the same philosophy, use a machine where it suits the task best making the garment better, and using hand sewing where the client feels and notices the difference.

In typical Napolian style, the shoulders feature the “waterfall” look, a soft shoulder sewn by hand by the best tailors on the shop floor.

When asked for an estimated number of man hours put in to each suit, Borrelli stays away from a definitive answer explaining that if a tailor does not like how the sleeve head feels, he will remove the sleeve and start again. Each fine fabric poses unique problems, and heavy flannels and woolens allow hand work quicker than ultra fine fabrics such as the 14 microns. No man hour stats are given (wisely).

Borrelli tries to maintain a production level of 40 suits or jackets per day in the small shop that houses 35 tailors and 15 support staff. One third of that production is Made to Measure. Unlike some shops that provide bespoke and made to measure clients with extra features or additional hand work when opting for a custom made garment, Borrelli uses the same production techniques on all their suits, only the individual’s measurements and small tweaks change.

Cuocolo says some loyal clients organize a bespoke vacation and get several friends together, fly to Naples in a private jet, Borrelli books a quiet restaurant for a dinner to discuss fabrics, styles, and personal tweaks, then individual measurements are taken and fittings arranged, either in Naples, or the tailor flies to the client’s home market for the second fitting. They also do the traveling MTM show, 2 to 3 times a year depending on the market area.

As Mr. Gennaro Cuocolo shows the rack of special orders being finished, hangers bearing the name of a regular MTM client and bold red sheets outlining the deviations stand out from stock issue. But MTM comes with an added burden to Borrelli. The tailors that travel to serve these clients are more artist than production workers and sometimes, the tailor will make adjustments on the fly, knowing the body and form of the client and what will work best for him. Failing to make proper notes in the clients profile sometimes leads to second orders that do not reflect the tailors wishes, they clients demands, a bug that Mr. Gennaro Cuocolo admits must be worked out as the young suit shop evolves and grows.


The Suit shop

Fabric is laid out and cut by hand using paper templates in the traditional manner, two cutters work full time preparing the fabric sections for the tailors. With a quick glance, a tailor on the shop floor knows if the patterns are meant to vary from stock patterns, different colored chalks are used to high light variations from stock patterns on MTM orders.


Home workers continue to put their touch on Borrelli suits and jackets as done in the shirt production, but to a lesser degree, all button holes are hand sewn and with only two staff tailors sewing button holes exclusively, many jackets are sent to the home workers for this step.


Borrelli uses the same sleeve liner on all suits and jackets, a Borrelli trademark that Fabio feels reflects the shirtings heritage of the company. Regardless of the jacket lining, the sleeve lining is as seen in the pictures below.

The collar seemed to a hybrid the likes of which I had not seen before. It is machine sewn in the center 1/3 with stitching flowing 90 degrees opposite to what most shops do, with hand sewing on the outside 1/3 ( 1/3 on each side for 2/3 hand sewn).
The collar is then hand basted and hand sewn to the jacket.

Like Kiton and Oxxford, thought has been given on what can be done by hand and what should be done machine. Borrelli has focused on the shoulder, the collar, the button holes and buttons, the breast pocket as the major areas of hand work. Sections of the liner are hand basted and sewn, the wide open areas, are machine basted. Oxxford uses the same principal, leaving the small seams, corners and delicate areas to hand sewers.

Battle lines have been drawn between us, the makers and the sellers of these high end goods over what defines hand made. Each group has a different idea of what is hand made and some sales men just have no idea ( or regard) at all. Borrelli do not use automated seam stitchers like those found in shops like Victor and Peerless, but they do use standard sewing machines and basting machines for some steps. They feel there garment is hand made. They never said is entirely hand sewn (they call it hand made) and did not hide any of the machinery used to make their wears.



Having now visited Kiton, Oxxford, Borrelli, Samuelsohn, Jack Victor, S Cohen, Empire and Peerless, I would say that Oxxford was the most in depth and most open visit, followed by Samuelsohn who only asked for one step, that they feel is unique step and a trade secret not to be photographed or explained outside the shop.
The education has been very interesting and I still enjoy wearing the same things I did before visiting. I will continue to buy, wear, enjoy and appreciate each for their strong points, Kiton, Borrelli, Oxxford and Samuelsohn. I think Samuelsohn represents the best value to dollar and a bit of unknown little jewel when compared to Zegna and Canali etc.

Next stop.....Attolini and then I may pack it in and turn my attention elsewhere.




The Pant shop

Borrelli has its eyes on growing its single unit pant shop in the same style as the world leader, Incotex using the same philosophy as the shirt shop, a machine made pant that is hand finished.

Borrelli has opted to color the sports wear cotton pants in house and has built a die house, securing a unique selection of brightly colored offerings.

The Shirt Shop:

Borrelli does not claim to make a completely hand made shirt, but produces a machine made shirt that features 8 hand sewn steps and refers to the shirts as machine made and hand finished. Borrelli continues to rely heavily on home workers, who sew these 8 steps using an elaborate distribution set up. Once staff employes have assembled the basis of the shirt and all the components, marked the button holes, matched the collar points and notched the collar attachment points, the shirt parts are placed in colored bags, each color represents a day of the week and its production and each day a “foreman” will drop the days work and pick up the following days work. Each shirt is then inspected by four tailors who look at every aspect and make small repairs or adjustments if required, if a shirt has more than one small repair, it is returned to the home worker for repair. Once accepted, the shirt is pressed, boxed and shipped.

The eight steps that are hand sewn on a Borrelli shirt are:

Shoulder
Attaching the sleeve
Placket
Attaching the Collar, the Yoke
Button Holes / Buttons
Gusset

I asked about the cuffs and the way Borrelli and some makers have a small stitch that dissects the cuff. I have several bespoke shirts made here in montreal that do not feature this. The seamstress on the floor explained (via a translator) that the stitch allows for a stiff cuff without the use of fusing and also allows for the cuff to be attached worth a smaller stitch since the fabric is less pliable having been attached to the cuff lining.

Each collar is placed on a rather ancient machine ( I am sorry but the image of that machine was shot quickly and is blurry and not useable) to be sure the points and fabrics match properly and then sent along the line. One machine, one operator, 700 collars a day, I really would not want to do that task, but some collars were sent back after not lining up as well as possible.




Image


Borrelli Factory Tour pictures:

Cloth is marked and cut by hand, one suit at a time using hand shears, no electric cutting tools were present and no power connections available for them:

Image


Image

Collars:

The collars are hand basted and then sewn to the jacket;

Image

The collar seams to feature machine sewn section in the very center, and hand stitching on the outer 1/3 of each side. In all the factories I have visited, I have never seem this approach to date.

Image


Basting the lining:

Some is by hand, other parts with a basting machine. This is similar to Oxxford’s approach, the fine work and small seams by hand, the long seams and big sections can be done by machine. There are no automated full length seam sewing machines in the suit shop at Borrelli, only conventional sewing machines and basters.

Image

Image

Borrelli leaves the lining un-sewn along the bottom seams of some jackets, Borrelli says some stores request this seam be sealed, but the house’s preference is to leave the seam open so you can open the joint and look up in to the chest work of the jacket. All of my jackets are sewn closed along this seam.

Shoulder work:

Image


Image

Image

Image



Image

Image

Sleeve Linings reflect shirtings heritage:

Image

Pockets:

A team of three work on nothing but pockets, the largest single time consumer, the breast pocket:

Image

Image

The boat shaped breast pocket:
(Not the best fabric to demonstrate this..sorry)

Image



The lining has “flex” points sewn in to allow a stretch that does not exist in the fabric used for linings but does exist in wool.


Image

The underside of all Borrelli lapels feature a small feature to make wearing Boutonniere a little easier:

Image

Pattern matching is perfect.

Image

Button Holes:

All button holes are hand sewn, some by the two full time staff, what they can handle is sent to home sewers for finishing.

Image

Image

Image


All buttons are hand sewn on to the jacket:

Image


Shirts:

Seams do not line up, by design.

Image


Tailors on the factory floor mark the shirt with notches, for the home sewers to quickly see exactly where each piece should line up.

Image

In this case, the buttons are marked for the home sewers.

Image


Firming up the cuffs, a single line of stitches hold the cuff to the liner about 2/3 the way up.


Image

Final inspection, pressing, collar stay insertion and packing.

Image


Borrelli Tie Shop:


400 ties per day, only 1/3 are 7 fold.
Self tipping is done only on request by the retailer.
Borrelli consumes 4000 sq meters of fabric per year to produce sample books!

Image


Image
luk-cha

Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:31 am

Z great post it looked like a great tour, i am sre it is interesting to see then at work!
alden
Posts: 8210
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:58 am
Contact:

Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:00 pm

Thank you for posting this excellent report.

I can remember being in the Borelli store in Naples six or seven years ago chatting with store manager, Antonio Villacidro about the strengths and weakness of various Neapolitan tailors when the first Borelli suit arrived in the shop. “I don’t suppose you’ll be talking tailors anymore Antonio”, I said at the sight of the neatly crafted garment.

The Borelli family has come a long way since then and the product has surely evolved as evidenced by the images in this report, but the overall impression I had at the time was very positive. Above all, the styling was not the standard jump in your face Neapolitan garb. It reminded me of a different class of tailoring that once made Italians famous, the kind worn by Marcelo, for example:

Image

Image

Or this coat worn by Agnelli that recalls a style that Michael might wear:

Image

Image

Image

Or De Sica:

Image

Image


Instead the mode has erred in the direction of senseless exaggeration as a misnomer for true style

Image

Image

Image

Image

When something like this would have sufficed:

Image

Do any of you have photos of the Borelli coats that you can share with us? It would be interesting to know if they stayed the course of simple elegance or have veered into the abyss..

Cheers

M Alden
SJX
Posts: 24
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:49 pm
Contact:

Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:20 pm

Thanks for the tour. Would love to visit the factory myself one day.

- SJX
iammatt
Posts: 320
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:09 pm
Contact:

Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:48 pm

alden wrote:
Do any of you have photos of the Borelli coats that you can share with us? It would be interesting to know if they stayed the course of simple elegance or have veered into the abyss..

Cheers

M Alden
My feeling is that they make tailored clothing that is on the extreme end of the, for lack of a better word, pimp spectrum of Southern Italian clothing. On the other hand, they make a fantastic half fused sportcoat line that is beautifully rounded and relaxed, perfect for throwing on and going out to do errands. Their outerwear is also excellent and very soft, including a nice selection of slightly oversized raglan sleeve coats.

The tailored clothing represents all that is bad with slightly contrasting colored pickstitching in thicker gauge thread, leaner than a runway model chests and overly shaped shoulders. I can't begin to explain the dichotomy existing at Borrelli, but exist it does.
alden
Posts: 8210
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:58 am
Contact:

Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:46 pm

the extreme end of the, for lack of a better word, pimp spectrum of Southern Italian clothing
What oft was thought .... my dear Matt.

The thing is that the style fits in the environment of Naples. There is the gaudy side of the town, the larger than life painted ladies with bronzed flesh oozing out from all sides, the open collared chain clad Giovanni Travoltas, the hurly burly carnival atmosphere, the colors, the sun, the sounds of the marketplace, the sea. But when pale faced geeky Northern European and Asian tourists don the pimping garb, it just does not work, at all.

And then there is the sophisticated Naples, behind the walls of the centuries old palazzos. I suppose the dichotomy arises from the co-existence of these two very different worlds throughout Southern Italy, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.

Normally, the tailored clothing is more restrained and the RTW extroverted. You suggest that the opposite is true in the case of Borelli.

As an aside, and I suppose you are a bit of a student of S Italian life and culture, do you know that in Sicilian language and many dialects of the Southern region, there is no future tense. It explains a good many things, positive and negative.

Cheers
BirdofSydney
Posts: 294
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:33 am
Location: Australia
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:06 am

A cross-post of sorts of my own. I'm shortly (today?) to collect my first Borrelli, and indeed my first really serious suit (having patronised Zegna RTW and various Australian makers). Far from being gaudy, it's a very sensible French navy with a reddish-bronze pinstripe, soft 3 button with a ticket pocket.

My only real decision left to make is, to cuff or not to cuff?
alden
Posts: 8210
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:58 am
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:09 am

Dear Bird

I think Matt, who has a pretty good eye for such things, was referring to what he sees as sartorial Borelli’s loud finish and cut and not the choice of fabrics (that seem pretty good in the photos above.) You might post a picture of your new suit if you have a chance as I am quite sure the members would be glad to see it.

When I visited Borelli’s factory six years ago and met Luigi and his son the coat making functions were just beginning. The tan gabardine prototype that I saw looked pretty good. That being said, Borelli is a newcomer to the tailoring game as opposed to Rubinacci and some of the other makers.

I confess to not knowing a lot about RTW as it is a subject that regards clothes and I have very little interest in clothes. What I do remember about my visit is that Luigi Borelli, in his retirement, is a dog breeder. He breeds sporting dogs, what I can’t remember is the specific breed..labradors maybe?

Cuff.

Cheers

Michael
S Maran
Posts: 20
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:57 pm
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:27 pm

Last year when in Naples I visited the shop and while chatting to the manager I had the opportunity to check out the guy who was actually serving. He had on a MTM Borelli navy double breasted suit. The sleeve heads were so exaggerated that they looked like "puffed" sleeves, and the "grinza" looked like frills. Sad to say the coat looked a more than a little ludicrous.
dopey
Posts: 862
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:24 pm
Location: New York City
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:33 pm

alden wrote:. . .
I confess to not knowing a lot about RTW as it is a subject that regards clothes and I have very little interest in clothes.
Quoted to highlight this nugget in an otherwise rich vein.
iammatt
Posts: 320
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:09 pm
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:11 pm

That is right. I think the fabrics are generally well chosen, often better than their competitors. I think that they also deserve some respect for having again refined the RTW manufacturing process and addressed the collar construction issue which is often weak on RTW jackets. My problem with them is that they push the tighter, tighter, tighter mode of dress and seem to prefer obviousness instead of subtlety. The US Borrelli folks are particularly into this, so it may be a regional thing.
zegnamtl
Posts: 141
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:45 pm
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:17 pm

Dear Mr. Alden,

I was not aware of the lack of a future tense in the southern dialects, very interesting.

It is not only amazing to see how far Fabio has taken his father's company in a very short time, but when visiting the factory, you quickly realize that only a small portion of the available space in each of the three shops is being used, and the portion that is in use has been laid out in such a manner to make it clear that Fabio has big plans for the future. The tie shop as an example, is designed in a way that can easily allow it to double and have a "crew one and crew two" type setup.

During my visit, the entire shop was working on MTM suit orders, so I did not see any of their overcoat work. I have seen a few on display at my local retailer, and the little I have seen, was very nice.

As to Matt's observations on Borrelli's loud finishing details, again, the bulk of my Borrelli experience comes from the small local retailer, Uomo Montreal, that first introduced me to Borrelli. They bring in no more than a half dozen jackets and about as many suits each season, perhaps more a statement to the tastes of the Uomo buyer than Borrelli, the units I have seen did not display overly bold or loud finishing. This may be as Matt suggests, a regional variation.

The boxy and heavily padded NeRano model seen most often in the US market is not carried by Uomo. I would imagine, with a bit of exportation, they make a little something for everyone so to speak. Uomo Montreal is very hands on with special requests to make their store as unique as possible, they do this with Kiton and with the annual Edward Green order featuring a tweaked version of a standard EG shoe just for that shop.

Best Regards,

Allen
Andre Yew
Posts: 77
Joined: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:01 pm
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:18 pm

I have an MTM Borrelli 6x2 DB I ordered maybe 2 years ago. I really like the cloth, and the speed with which it was delivered (unlike their shirts). I don't like its fit (the sleeve lengths are weird and the front-back balance seems off), and the MTM program doesn't seem to have much leeway, at least on the sheet my salesperson was filling out, for figuration details. I think Zegna's MTM, for example, is more flexible.

I don't think the detailing is too pimpy, though some of the cut, like the big lapels, err on that side. The fitting for it was definitely interesting as the test coat was 1 size down (US38 instead of 40).

I also have a Borrelli car coat bought off the rack that I love. I bought it true to my RTW size, and it fits fine.

--Andre
iammatt
Posts: 320
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:09 pm
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:11 pm

Andre Yew wrote:
I don't think the detailing is too pimpy, though some of the cut, like the big lapels, err on that side. The fitting for it was definitely interesting as the test coat was 1 size down (US38 instead of 40).
Perhaps "pimpy" was not as good a word as Alden's "Giovanni Travolta." It is extroverted where it needs not be.

I'll try to take a couple pictures of the casual items I have. Perhaps, they are not as well done as the finest bespoke, but they are quite good, and some are very tasteful.
Cufflink79
Posts: 711
Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:16 pm
Contact:

Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:55 pm

Dear Zegnamtl:

Thank you for your time to post the text and photos, it is a real treat to see such skilled hands at work.

I makes one really appreciate all the hard work that is put into bespoke and fine RTW products.

Best Regards,

Cufflink79
Post Reply
  • Information
  • Who is online

    Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 82 guests