Formal ties

[HappyStroller]

What is the order of formality of the following ties when they are used for Morning Dress:-

a. an ascot;
b. a cravat;
c. a scrunchie knot cravat; or,
d. a formal long tie?

What patterns or colours can a long tie have for it to be regarded as a formal tie?

[culverwood]

In the UK
1st) Formal long tie
Last) all the others

[HappyStroller]

How interesting, a Londoner's viewpoint. And you're just the right kind of person to ask about silver ties.

Is it true it is an English custom only the parties related to the bride and bride groom may wear silver (I suppose silver ties mean ties which have grey) ties at a wedding?

[culverwood]

Not as far as I'm aware. I have a silver tie but prefer one with a silver-white-black combination at weddings as the silver tie seems so dull.

[Trilby]

I also find a plain silver tie a bit dull. They work best when they have an interesting texture or when, as Culverwood suggests, there is some black and white mixed in.

For the most formal occasions, I wear a black/white/silver tie. When I'm a guest at a wedding, I usually go with something slightly less formal and a bit more colorful - I often go for a woven polka dot tie with white dots on a pink background.

[kirsch]

Speaking of ties,

Could someone point me in the direction of an article/post which explains what's in a top-quality tie?

thanks,
chris

[HappyStroller]

Like to try this?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n16696965

Speaking of ties,

Could someone point me in the direction of an article/post which explains what's in a top-quality tie?

thanks,
chris

[HappyStroller]

Well, actually I meant to say any tie that has some or is all silver, not just a plain grey tie.

How interesting, a Londoner's viewpoint. And you're just the right kind of person to ask about silver ties.

Is it true it is an English custom only the parties related to the bride and bride groom may wear silver (I suppose silver ties mean ties which have grey) ties at a wedding?

[culverwood]

Well, actually I meant to say any tie that has some or is all silver, not just a plain grey tie.

I'm pretty sure that anyone can wear a tie with silver in it. I've been doing so all my life but perhaps I'm wrong. To my mind morning dress requires a tie in silver/black/white etc tones and anything too flamboyant looks like an attempt to draw attention to yourself.

[alden]

The LL club tie is versatile and excellent for more formal dress

http://thelondonlounge.net/gl/forum/vie ... php?t=5339

Cheers

[HappyStroller]

Yes, an all silver and black combination - as formal as a tie can be. Alden, is it a MacClesfield tie?

The LL club tie is versatile and excellent for more formal dress

http://thelondonlounge.net/gl/forum/vie ... php?t=5339

Cheers

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[HappyStroller]

Actually, Culverwood, you're quite right. I'm sorry, again, for another wrong impression. I do not mean to say that the Morning Dress should not be worn with a typical black/grey tie; I was only refering to wedding occasions and asking whether it was an English custom that only the wedding parties had the privilege of wearing Wedding Ties (which I understood to mean silver ties, including black/grey combinations.

Well, actually I meant to say any tie that has some or is all silver, not just a plain grey tie.

I'm pretty sure that anyone can wear a tie with silver in it. I've been doing so all my life but perhaps I'm wrong. To my mind morning dress requires a tie in silver/black/white etc tones and anything too flamboyant looks like an attempt to draw attention to yourself.

[HappyStroller]

It seems I was wrong about wondering whether there was an English custom that only the wedding parties had the privilege of wearing Wedding Ties (which I understood to mean silver ties, including black/grey combinations).

Actually, it was an English (I assume) custom about the wearing of a grey morning coat, as the partial quote on morning dress in Wikipedia shows clearly:-

"Traditionally, only the groom and bride's father are allowed to wear a grey morning coat to a wedding and all other guest wear black morning coats, though it is rare to see this rule enforced today."

Hope this clarification helps everyone who was confused by my original query. And sorry about it, folks.

[ER]

The number one rule when choosing a tie with morning dress to be worn to a wedding (this just applies to the bridal party) is not to take your fiancee!! Morning Dress is a uniform that will match whatever the ladies are wearing. It is not necessary to take your intended on the fitting or else you will spend 4 hours looking for a tie to match her eyes/ the bridesmaids' dresses/ her mother's flower arrangements et al. Put your foot down because remember - you ain't going to be there when her dress is being made are you?

[Algernon]

Quite. Matching ties to dresses is rather bad form; on these occasions I prefer a black and light grey hound’s-tooth check, although New & Lingwood do have a rather nice grey PoW check silk, which I've been meaning to try. But in this country formal weddings are infrequent.