President Obama's tailor

[storeynicholas]

I think that there are possibly more interesting examples than Hitler, Mussolini and the South American Colonels: let's not forget, as some examples: Draco, Nero, Pharaoh, Alexander, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Charles I and The Seigneur of Sark (recently abolished).
NJS

[Guest]

yeah but Hitler was the first to organize rallies on different cities on the same day, and was transported in a airplane. he used modern technology, propaganda used everywhere now.
actually what worked for Hitler, worked again for Obama.

[shredder]

Not to burst the Hitler bubble here, but Horace Brown once said, "If the chap is going to raise his right arm so much, he should get a better tailor."

[jfelicien]

As we are speaking of white tie and the way it should be properly done, Here is my first contributuion to this forum.



President Kennedy hosting a state dinner for President Félix Houphouët-Boigny of Côte d'Ivoire in 1962.

This picture epistomizes that proper white tie is not an apanage of the european monarchs, as well as the Kennedys were several leagues above the Obamas in matter of elegance.

[JDelage]

I think Barak Obama is generally not inelegant. I did a double take at his white bow tie, and I think it was an unfortunate choice, but generally speaking, I think he's not too badly dressed. He has a pretti ideal body type. Michele Obama had a horrendous outfit on inauguration day in my opinion. Colors did not look good together (at least on my TV set), and the detailing emphasized her bulk. However, I've seen her in other event rather well dressed.

[storeynicholas]

JFK knew how to wear full evening dress; he had plenty of experience in seeing it on his father. The Regency near-monochrome prescription of it - replacing breeches with pantaloons - becoming, in due course, trousers, has held good from London, to New York to Japan to South America for nearly 200 years. The new President, on his night, chose to wear an acceptable version of it (the detail might be open to criticism). He chose to wear a white tie (thus acknowledging the traition into which he was stepping - something old) and chose to partner it with a dinner jacket-tuxedo - something (relatively) new. If Brummell and his Regency friends had not made changes in evening dress, it would be long dead. If evening dress survives because of further innovation, so be it - better that than shell suits. However, let's see something positive in what the new President chose to wear and, moreover, I shouldn't be at all surprised if, in due course, he comes to a state affair in London, he is perfectly turned out. Meanwhile, he has been elected to be invested and entrusted with considerable powers to sort out the right fine mess that this world is in and let us just hope that the graciousness that I read into his choice for his inaugural ball reflects his general ability to master the considerable tasks in hand.
NJS

[pchong]

Ronald Reagan also knew how to wear a correct whte tie



indeed, he also knew how to wear his black tie as it should be, with a white tie.

[Guest]

what beautiful pictures, i enjoyed the Kennedy picture very much. him and the other dignitary seem incredibly well tailored. i have not much hope on Obama, unless on his new job he needs to impress other people.
if i was his ad visor, i would recommend him to maintain his dark suits. that uniform is working splendidly.

[Jovan the Un1337]

JFK was properly attired, but I suppose some may object to the narrower lapels or the dark studs. He was a master at showing cuff, so I'm wondering where they're hiding! I like the purple flower (anyone know the variety) since many usually opt for red roses.

I'm probably straying into politics a little too much for this forum, but my real objection is how the Obamas are reviewed in the media. Our elites lionize them as heirs to the Kennedy style when--at least in matters of dress--they are hopelessly vulgar and uninspired. If the media ignore our new president's trivial flaws, will they also ignore his important ones?

The President and First Lady can be forgiven--they are to a large extent self-made and their vulgarity is to be expected. They are quick studies, and will soon adjust to their new positions. They are also both very attractive, which will help. But the media have completely abandoned their objectivity, and in a democracy, that's deadly.

Are we the only ones to acknowledge that the emperor has no clothes?

Carl

While he could have used some advice on how to dress for black tie and his wife could have better taste, calling them vulgarly dressed is just downright ridiculous. I've seen much, MUCH worse than that. Your use of the word "vulgar" in this case -- a very strong word -- comes off as hopelessly uptight. If you want to see some real offences against black tie, you should see how my friends dressed at a ball in D.C. that night!

As to the media, only a very small part of the media are even thinking about what they are wearing. The rest are more concerned about how his presidency will be defined, which I'm sure all of us can agree is a much more important thing.

[Guest]

some obama videos. all fun no style at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zh5iNP5 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmxd2ZVkLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02Dt ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vUL ... re=related

[storeynicholas]

Jovan the Un
It is probably a cornflower.
NJS

[pvpatty]

changing subject i was thought, the duke of Windsor renounced the throne because of his friendship with Hitler and some people in Germany, which was not a very good thing in England at that time. his marriage seem to be the public excuse they gave then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuXW2fLkz4

I think that anything said by David Irving needs to be taken with a liberal pinch of salt.

It seems that the notch lapel has become de rigeur for formal presidential functions. A photograph I saw in a newspaper today showed Obama and a group of Secret Service men, who were all equipped with SB black jackets with notch lapels and black waistcoats.

[storeynicholas]

changing subject i was thought, the duke of Windsor renounced the throne because of his friendship with Hitler and some people in Germany, which was not a very good thing in England at that time. his marriage seem to be the public excuse they gave then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuXW2fLkz4

I think that anything said by David Irving needs to be taken with a liberal pinch of salt.

It seems that the notch lapel has become de rigeur for formal presidential functions. A photograph I saw in a newspaper today showed Obama and a group of Secret Service men, who were all equipped with SB black jackets with notch lapels and black waistcoats.

Isn't Irving actually in a German gaol for an offence of denying Hitler's attrocities?
NJS

[pvpatty]

changing subject i was thought, the duke of Windsor renounced the throne because of his friendship with Hitler and some people in Germany, which was not a very good thing in England at that time. his marriage seem to be the public excuse they gave then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuXW2fLkz4

I think that anything said by David Irving needs to be taken with a liberal pinch of salt.

It seems that the notch lapel has become de rigeur for formal presidential functions. A photograph I saw in a newspaper today showed Obama and a group of Secret Service men, who were all equipped with SB black jackets with notch lapels and black waistcoats.

Isn't Irving actually in a German gaol for an offence of denying Hitler's attrocities?
NJS

I think that he may have been released now, but as I recall, the Austrians locked him up.

[Jovan the Un1337]

Jovan the Un
It is probably a cornflower.
NJS

I'm not sure I follow you. Please just call me Jovan, by the way.