The "perfect" semi-formal shirt?

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Frederic Leighton
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:27 am

Luca wrote:In this context, I am using the term semi-formal in the archaic sense of black-tie (night) or stroller (day) ensembles. The more historically erudite LL posters have demonstrated amply, I think, that there is a wealth of precedent in the lustrous past to support or alternatively negate any 'rule' one cares to quote so my attempt here is not to establish the most typical or 'korrekt' shirt but rather one that would meet the highest aesthetic and practical standards and best express the combination of out-of-time formality and sybaritic joie-de-vivre that, in my thinking, wearing semi-formal rig expresses, these days. [...] Thoughts?
Is your quest for the perfect semi-formal shirt moving forward, Luca?

I've been thinking about the same for some time too. The question was answered about one hundred years ago and never questioned again for quite a while; I'm still happy with that answer. As you mention an archaic sense of black-tie/stroller and out-of-time formality, the old answer seems pertinent twice.

Semi-formal: soft bib front (second layer of fabric), band to attach the end of the bib to the trousers, detachable collar (allowing you to choose between wing and traditional collar depending on the circumstances), buttons plus predisposition for use with three studs, double cuffs.

I bought a vintage shirt (1920s-40s) to use as a model for a new bespoke commission. The cut is the English, very generous one; I'll get my usual Italian, closer fit. It's very practical and also easy to take care of (soft bib). I am thinking that a plain weave instead of pique for the front would make for an even more versatile (and still historically accurate, if that's a problem) shirt.
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Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:27 pm

Hi, Leighton. When you say "soft bib" you mean something in the same material as the rest of the shirt but with just more layers of cloth? Is it fastened with studs or blind-buttoned?
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Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:42 pm

Luca wrote:When you say "soft bib" you mean something in the same material as the rest of the shirt but with just more layers of cloth?
There is a second layer of fabric, which in the case of my vintage shirt is pique like the cuffs. I've seen other vintage shirts with a pleated front instead of the pique and, in vintage manuals, I've read that a plain front was also accepted, but I haven't seen real examples of this third kind. I've sometime read that when the front is pique, cuffs, collar and bow tie also must be so.
Luca wrote:Is it fastened with studs or blind-buttoned?
On my vintage shirt you have the two options. Buttons are attached at one end of a buttonhole. This way you can button the shirt up normally or you can leave the buttons undone and run studs through the two buttonholes. Three studs plus one for the detachable collar. Buttons are made of very thin mother-of-pearl.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:15 pm

On the 'relaxed formal shirt' topic:

Shirts with 1 or 2 studs are designed to stay 'closed' because they were properly starched to be like cardboard. I've come to only wear this sort of shirt (with separate collar) with evening dress, whether black or white tie. I've one shirt with 3 studs and a marcella front, which can be worn unstarched. Having become accustomed to the clean lines of an uncrumpled starched shirt, I no longer wear this. Sometimes this is marketed by shirtmakers as a "semi-stiff front shirt". That is because there are two layers of cloth for the bib, so it's naturally slightly thicker and less soft even if unstarched. Needless to say, it always looked better starched, but not as simple and elegant as a plain-front fully starched shirt. Shirts with 4 or more studs are designed to stay closed despite: (i) a lack of starch; and (ii) a low waistband. I don't think an evening shirt can ever appear elegant if it's worn with low-slung trousers, and I'd anticipate most readers here would agree.

I'm unsure that your project for this evening shirt would lead to an elegant conclusion. If you don't like having a bib on an evening shirt on the basis that it's exposed with your coat off, do you also also object to braces for the same reason? If you're not wearing braces with evening dress, aren't you already tending towards a lower waistband and a compromised trouser fit?

I agree that a stiff collar, stiff shirt, waistcoat etc can look, and in reality does often look, very awkward and over-formal. However, in my experience, that's caused because it's ill-fitting. I frequently see stiff collars worn 2 sizes too large, for instance. When the whole ensemble is closely-fitting and well tailored, I don't think it necessarily looks like outmoded costume, and it is in my view much more elegant, and so is to be preferred.

As an illustration, doesn't this clip show the most formal black tie as relaxed and informal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6R5cXxxM8M) ? I think it does. And it looks, to my eye, rather better than this, the modern version at its best (http://www.jamesbondsuits.com/blog/wp-c ... /10/24.jpg). Whether the 1920/30s version of black tie is costume or contemporary elegance, I think, depends in a large part on how well it is executed, and which will directly influence whether you're comfortable in it. I'd add that a waistcoat looks perfectly fine with a jacket off, if tailored so your shirt isn't hanging out anywhere. So I'd argue that the best option for an evening shirt, is still the most formal option, and the one that best suits being bespoken.

If you do accept that times have changed irreversibly, then arguably the best option is a simple plain white in a fabric thick enough to be properly opaque, even when warm and/or dancing. Pleats have no been always in fashion - a plain-front has been always fashionable for well over 100 years, and I think simplicity is better. I'd avoid "party shirts". They look rather teenage and attention-seeking to me.


Oddly, I think that the "stroller" is now definitely costume, and I wouldn't try it. This despite it being accepted as being more 'informal'. I wouldn't wish to be taken for a porter. Nor would I wish to look like I'd been to the Mason's Hall, which is near to the law courts (it's a bit of a members' uniform, from the outside perspective). Still less would I wish to look like a QC in a sleeved waistcoat, or someone trying to look like a QC. I've only seen 1 stroller in court in my time at the bar, and that more than 150 miles from London. Of all the sensible 20th century fashions one could pick, it's just about the only one that I wouldn't risk at work, at least not in a legal environment.
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