Cravataholics unite!

[alden]

I had a chance to visit with Cravatologist extraordinaire, Mr. David Saxby at his shop in Prince's Arcade in London recently. You will find pictures of the visit in the Hats PJ.

I went to see Mr Saxby with one thought in mind: finding a source for Cravates for the LL membership. Stay tuned for announcements regarding the availability of David's handsome neckwear soon.

M Alden

[RWS]

This is most appealling, Michael. Any chance of adding bowties and, perhaps, ascots to the cravats?

[Joe]

What a great opportunity for a LL "club tie".

[tteplitzmd]

I second, or third, the London Lounge club tie concept.

[tteplitzmd]

By the way, Mr. Alden, how is Mr. Saxby's supplly of summer hats?

[Mark Seitelman]

I viewed the pictures. Mr. Saxby has a lovely store.

I haven't heard of him and his store. Could you tell us a little about him?

Thanks.

[uppercase]

Well, I've briefly visited Mr. Saxby in his Prince's Arcade store several times and he is indeed a unique individual with a special take on vintage clothing and steadfast admiration for quality and classic British style. He has made a successful business of his interests and certainly deserves to be supported by LL members. I believe that he has 2 stores in London and one in Japan but will defer to our more knowledgeable London based members on that point.

Having said that, can someone pls. advise the differences between the cravate, ascot, neckerchief and neckerscarf? Is the difference a question of size and length as well as occassion as when to wear?

[uppercase]

Gents, a little help here.
Pls. advise the difference between a cravate, ascot, neckerchief and neckerscarf.
Is the difference one of size and length as well as occassion as when to wear?
TIA

[alden]

The Ascot or Cravat tie is a wide necktie that is looped over and held in place beneath the chin with a stickpin when worn with a Wing Collar shirt. Usually worn at Weddings with Morning Dress in this manner. You see these articles in Saxby's pictures. They can also be worn with a flat collar shirt in lieu of a necktie simply looped over and tucked into the shirt leaving at most one button undone.

The Neckerchief or Neckerscarf is a cotton, or silk square (like a Hermes scarf) folded and looped over to be worn in lieu of a necktie as with the Ascot/Cravat with a flat collared shirt. It can also be folded and tied like a necktie with a 4 in Hand knot.

[RWS]

. . . . Pls. advise the difference between a cravate, ascot, neckerchief and neckerscarf. . . .

A cravat is a long necktie, the sort most commonly worn with a town suit (a bowtie is, of course, a short necktie). Michael Alden has written more precisely and more coherently than I would on the ascot (which is a type of necktie), neckerchief, and neckerscarf (the last of which, I'd never even heard of before). The only other neckties I know of are either folk costume (the string tie of the American West, for example) or archaic (jabot, stock, etc.).

[Will]

The Limited Edition series could benefit from a neckerscarf or two. Aside from Hermes ladies scarves which aren't my style, it's difficult to find appropriate lengths to tie a four in hand.

I think they're less obvious than ascots and fill an open shirt nicely on the weekend.

[Cruz Diez]

I'm in for a LL Limited Edition tie!

Cheers,
Miguel

[Hartline]

It would be great if we could lay our hands on some of the heavy foulard silk from David Evans.

[alden]

A neckerchief.

[BirdofSydney]

The only other neckties I know of are either folk costume (the string tie of the American West, for example) or archaic (jabot, stock, etc.).

Not quite. Like the wing collar, the jabot is still in use in British and Commonwealth legal circles, particularly by female barristers and judges. Also in court dress in the sense of Buckingham Palace, I believe.

I think I shall, one I pluck up the requisite courage, commission one or two with some nice lacework or embroidery...

Cheers,

Eden