Bespoke Tailors Benevolent Association

[Scot]

"TO RELIEVE AND ASSIST EITHER GENERALLY OR INDIVIDUALLY PERSONS WHO ARE OR HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE BESPOKE CRAFT TAILORING TRADE IN ANY CAPACITY AND ARE IN NEED OF SUCH RELIEF OR ASSISTANCE BY REASON OF POVERTY, DISABILITY, INFIRMITY OR OTHERWISE, AND THEIR DEPENDANTS"

Wouldn't it be nice if the LL could do something for this charity? Perhaps a surcharge on a special Cloth Club subscription.

[hectorm]

Please contribute handsomely. With Huntsman charging 4600 GBPs (7000 dollars at today´s exchange rate) for its basic two-piece suit, I think I´m ready for receiving this assistance qualifying under the reason of poverty.

[gegarrenton]

Huntsman has had another markup? That is significantly more than the last Poole three piece I commissioned.

I would certainly support aiding this charity!

Cheers

[hectorm]

Dear Gegarrenton,
I'm not sure whether the price hike that you asked about has to do with the fact that 3 months ago Huntsman changed its ownership once more. Yes, once more.
The new owner is the Belgian hedge fund manager Pierre Lagrange. His boyfriend designer Roubi L Roubi is the "creative director" of the firm now.
Fortunately for their old clients, GM Mr. Peter Smith and head cutter Mr. Patrick Murphy are still there.

[NJS]

Dear Gegarrenton,
I'm not sure whether the price hike that you asked about has to do with the fact that 3 months ago Huntsman changed its ownership once more. Yes, once more.
The new owner is the Belgian hedge fund manager Pierre Lagrange. His boyfriend designer Roubi L Roubi is the "creative director" of the firm now.
Fortunately for their old clients, GM Mr. Peter Smith and head cutter Mr. Patrick Murphy are still there.

I have to say that I find it bizarre that anyone who knows of Richard Anderson and Terry Haste would pay Huntsman prices, unless they need the security of the 'brand'. I can see no other explanation.

NJS

[cathach]

I have to say that I find it bizarre that anyone who knows of Richard Anderson and Terry Haste would pay Huntsman prices, unless they need the security of the 'brand'. I can see no other explanation.

NJS

Or indeed the many fine provincial and off row tailors in England. Although Huntsman have always prided themselves on being the most expensive on 'the Row'. For certain goods demand increases as price increases, particularly for status or luxury goods.

[gegarrenton]

Dear Gegarrenton,
I'm not sure whether the price hike that you asked about has to do with the fact that 3 months ago Huntsman changed its ownership once more. Yes, once more.
The new owner is the Belgian hedge fund manager Pierre Lagrange. His boyfriend designer Roubi L Roubi is the "creative director" of the firm now.
Fortunately for their old clients, GM Mr. Peter Smith and head cutter Mr. Patrick Murphy are still there.

I did hear about the ownership change. Still surprising to see another hike. As mentioned, I know they pride on being the most expensive on the Row, I just hope this doesn't portend more hikes from others.

[DFR]

"TO RELIEVE AND ASSIST EITHER GENERALLY OR INDIVIDUALLY PERSONS WHO ARE OR HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE BESPOKE CRAFT TAILORING TRADE IN ANY CAPACITY AND ARE IN NEED OF SUCH RELIEF OR ASSISTANCE BY REASON OF POVERTY, DISABILITY, INFIRMITY OR OTHERWISE, AND THEIR DEPENDANTS"

Wouldn't it be nice if the LL could do something for this charity? Perhaps a surcharge on a special Cloth Club subscription.

Not really appropriate at all.

[Scot]

"TO RELIEVE AND ASSIST EITHER GENERALLY OR INDIVIDUALLY PERSONS WHO ARE OR HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE BESPOKE CRAFT TAILORING TRADE IN ANY CAPACITY AND ARE IN NEED OF SUCH RELIEF OR ASSISTANCE BY REASON OF POVERTY, DISABILITY, INFIRMITY OR OTHERWISE, AND THEIR DEPENDANTS"

Wouldn't it be nice if the LL could do something for this charity? Perhaps a surcharge on a special Cloth Club subscription.

Not really appropriate at all.

Care to explain?

[DFR]

"TO RELIEVE AND ASSIST EITHER GENERALLY OR INDIVIDUALLY PERSONS WHO ARE OR HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE BESPOKE CRAFT TAILORING TRADE IN ANY CAPACITY AND ARE IN NEED OF SUCH RELIEF OR ASSISTANCE BY REASON OF POVERTY, DISABILITY, INFIRMITY OR OTHERWISE, AND THEIR DEPENDANTS"

Wouldn't it be nice if the LL could do something for this charity? Perhaps a surcharge on a special Cloth Club subscription.

Not really appropriate at all.

Care to explain?

Yes, if you want to give money to a charity please feel free but do not expect everyone else to want to do so, especially by what amounts to a compulsory levy.

I will make my choices of charity to which to subscribe, you make yours but do not foist those onto everyone else.

[NJS]

I have to say that I find it bizarre that anyone who knows of Richard Anderson and Terry Haste would pay Huntsman prices, unless they need the security of the 'brand'. I can see no other explanation.

NJS

Or indeed the many fine provincial and off row tailors in England. Although Huntsman have always prided themselves on being the most expensive on 'the Row'. For certain goods demand increases as price increases, particularly for status or luxury goods.

They used to use more workers on each piece than probably anyone else, which is some objective justification but the price difference between Huntsman, on the one hand, and Poole or Davies, A&S, or Adeney & Boutroy - for an end result which should be of substantially the same quality is stood by: the very rich (to whom the variable cost is of no consequence) and the very insecure, who want to be able to demonstrate that they know that Huntsman is the costliest and they want the world to know that they go there!

NJS

PS Suddenly, nearly convinced of the merits of the charitable suggestion which started this thread.

[gegarrenton]

Not really appropriate at all.

Care to explain?

Yes, if you want to give money to a charity please feel free but do not expect everyone else to want to do so, especially by what amounts to a compulsory levy.

I will make my choices of charity to which to subscribe, you make yours but do not foist those onto everyone else.

I'm failing to see how having a special subscription that includes something for this is foisting it upon everyone else?

[cathach]

and the very insecure, who want to be able to demonstrate that they know that Huntsman is the costliest and they want the world to know that they go there!

Or the nearly not rich enough. In any event for SR high rents probably cause the bulk of the high prices compared to other tailors. Apart from the obvious signs of handstitching of buttonholes or edge-stitching or the under collar the only way you'd know how much handwork went into something is if you made it yourself.

Back to the thread, it is a generous suggestion, but perhaps impractical as the above association is British, not all British tailors may be members and many people taking part in the Cloth Club may have no interest in supporting British tailors, having their own in other parts.

[DFR]

Yes, if you want to give money to a charity please feel free but do not expect everyone else to want to do so, especially by what amounts to a compulsory levy.

I will make my choices of charity to which to subscribe, you make yours but do not foist those onto everyone else.[/quote]

I'm failing to see how having a special subscription that includes something for this is foisting it upon everyone else?[/quote]


The proposal was was an uplift on the price to be given to this organisation. Thus anyone seeking this cloth has the donation foist upon them. Let the OP donate if he wishes, leave everyone else out of it save by choice.

[gegarrenton]

Yes, if you want to give money to a charity please feel free but do not expect everyone else to want to do so, especially by what amounts to a compulsory levy.

I will make my choices of charity to which to subscribe, you make yours but do not foist those onto everyone else.

I'm failing to see how having a special subscription that includes something for this is foisting it upon everyone else?[/quote]


The proposal was was an uplift on the price to be given to this organisation. Thus anyone seeking this cloth has the donation foist upon them. Let the OP donate if he wishes, leave everyone else out of it save by choice.[/quote]

I must still be not understanding either you or his proposal. My reading is it would be a special subscription for those who wish to donate. I can't see this as levying anyone?