Style and Stage

"He had that supreme elegance of being, quite simply, what he was."

-C. Albaret describing Marcel Proust

Style, chic, presence, sex appeal: whatever you call it, you can discuss it here.
NJS

Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:13 am

Gruto wrote:
NJS wrote:talking about 'creating' style; making it incarnate, and then staging it as a kind of visual or dramatic art form
I wasn't the one who introduced acting and actors as a key to style, but clearly there is an element of acting in style. Acting doesn't have to supend authenticity. It can be a way of letting it glow.
By introducing the notion that there is "no style inside" and that [wherever it does then come from] style needs a 'stage' in the outer world, you certainly did introduce acting as a central premise to your original post on this thread. You mentioned that a meeting (presumably a business meeting), might be such a 'stage' but, surely, what people really want from business meetings is business results. All other things being equal, I suppose that, generally, people will prefer meetings with congenial colleagues and advisers, who also happen to be well presented and, maybe, also suggest a stonking place for lunch. But I have known many examples, in the past, of brilliant but socially awkward and scruffy people who have attracted 'business' because, regardless of the fact that they are socially awkward and scruffy, they bring the business results. People should be looking for more real rain-makers and fewer fashionistos. There is far, far too much importance, in modern life, attached to 'presentation'; having the chat; being 'client-friendly' and knowing the 'in' jargon and, perhaps this is why many countries are in the economic mess that they are in: because the real brains have become side-lined as eccentric.

The difference between you and me on this is that you see 'style' as 'bizazz'; 'chutzpah'; 'swank'; the ability to engineer an occasion to make a mere impression - and I don't. Of course, we all live in the outer world, as well as in our own minds and we take action (rather than act-out) in the outer world, according to our thoughts and feelings and values, which we generate and accumulate and modify (as we go along), in our minds. But, still, to have access to some shy, scruffy genius, who might initially appear to have a screw loose but who thinks of something that everyone else has overlooked in a problem-crunching session and, maybe, even makes or saves a situation, is far more fundamentally important than being able to reflect upon a pointless, but swanky, business meeting.

There is enough banality, inanity and fatuousness in the world; too many labels (from bastardized language and jargon to designer labels) and empty, good-for-nothing, shiny bubbles floating about, without encouraging it all.
Gruto

Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:13 pm

NJS wrote:
Gruto wrote:
NJS wrote:talking about 'creating' style; making it incarnate, and then staging it as a kind of visual or dramatic art form
I wasn't the one who introduced acting and actors as a key to style, but clearly there is an element of acting in style. Acting doesn't have to supend authenticity. It can be a way of letting it glow.
By introducing the notion that there is "no style inside" and that [wherever it does then come from] style needs a 'stage' in the outer world, you certainly did introduce acting as a central premise to your original post on this thread. You mentioned that a meeting (presumably a business meeting), might be such a 'stage' but, surely, what people really want from business meetings is business results.
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You don't want to read what I write :) All sorts of things are going on inside. Trying to locate style inside is like locating the center of the oceans: a meaningless endeavor. Style is a wave hitting the coast. Style is a glimpse, when man meets the world. Style is an ongoing becoming.
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:22 pm

Style is the deep current that sets the waves in motion, not the foam they make when they hit the cliffs; that is just a consequence, manifestation (dress, for instance).
NJS

Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:31 pm

Costi wrote:Style is the deep current that sets the waves in motion, not the foam they make when they hit the cliffs; that is just a consequence, manifestation (dress, for instance).
A succinct summary of the difference. I also don't know why I should even think of trying to find the centre of the oceans and, even if it were possible, it would seem to be completely pointless!
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:42 pm

Style is all over inside your being, when you become aware of it. Like the currents. Remember your dear onion metaphor? - it is what keeps the layers together, not a "kernel", which is as pointless as the center of the oceans.
Style is not a PLACE inside us, it is a QUALITY. Finding it inside is not like finding a lost key around the house. In a way it is like finding that the house is wired to an electricity supply: it can light a bulb, play music on your radio, vacuum the carpets or give you a massage - all depending on how you channel it.
Gruto

Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:32 pm

Costi wrote:Style is all over inside your being, when you become aware of it. Like the currents. Remember your dear onion metaphor? - it is what keeps the layers together, not a "kernel", which is as pointless as the center of the oceans.
Style is not a PLACE inside us, it is a QUALITY. Finding it inside is not like finding a lost key around the house. In a way it is like finding that the house is wired to an electricity supply: it can light a bulb, play music on your radio, vacuum the carpets or give you a massage - all depending on how you channel it.
True, the inside of style is nothing but a force or even better: dynamite. Ich bin kein Mensch, ich bin Dynamit :D
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:49 pm

rather a volcano...
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