Achitecture and Tailoring

"The brute covers himself, the rich man and the fop adorn themselves, the elegant man dresses!"

-Honore de Balzac

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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:16 am

arch wrote:In classical architecture there are strict rules governing proportion and the classical orders. Most 19th century architecture was either classical in origin or gothic.

They are based on human proportion, from which evolved the golden section. Le Corbusier used his own system of proportion Le Modulor, which was an updated version, again based on anthropomorphic data.
Thank you for that. That is absolutely fascinating! This is turning into a very rewarding thread - indeed boarding on being absolutely revelatory.

I have often read how the aesthetic principles of 19th century tailoring were modelled on Classicist principles. It is now absolutely crystal clear to me that the cutters of that time were striving to make their profession one that belonged alongside architecture and classically inspired sculpture.

Here is what Henry Wampen writes:

I went as a student to Berlin, to complete my studies. I took great interest both in art and philosophy, and a question was then much discussed whether the Grecian ideal of beauty was simply ideal or founded upon scientific bases? In reading up this question I was induced to measure certain statues, and I came to the conclusion that the Grecian sculptures worked on scientific bases. I had made some rough drawings of parts of the body and their sections. These lay on my table. One day a tailor who worked for me, a Mr Freitag, came to try my clothes on; he saw my sketches on the table, when he said, 'You are just the man we want; you must write something for us tailors'. I thought what nonsense, how can I, a simple student, write anything interesting or instructive to tailors. I must here explain to you that in consequence of our endeavours to instruct our people, there was a general upheaval and a desire for progress in art, science and trade. A prize was offered for the best essay on the subject, and this it was my tailor, Mr Freitag, insisted that should compete for. He brought me a variety of books on the subject. some very good, others indifferent, but I gleaned something from all. I sent in my composition, and to my surprise gained the prize. I was highly complimented by some. others thought very little of my essay. This was how I came to write upon and study the art of draping the human figure.

Heinrich Wampen was largely forgotten in German after he moved to London where he made his reputation publishing on the application of anthropometry to cutting as "Dr Henry Wampen, PhD, Professor of Mathematics". He may well have been the model for the character Diogenes Teufelsdröck in the novel by Carlyle (notice the classicist reference in the rather Greek sounding first name of this character). However, this clearly establishes a strong relationship between Classicism in architecture and in tailoring.

This was very much part of the Zeitgeist of the time. Take a look at this 1781 painting of Sir Brooke Boothby by Joseph Wright of Derby in the Tate Gallery, London:

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http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibiti ... rooke.shtm

At this period there was very much a swing away from the fully draped artifice of mainstream court dress with its extravagantly embroidered silks towards a more naturalist cutting style. Although the painting well pre-dates Beau Brummell (thus putting lie to the idea that a natural, clean cut style of tailoring originates with him) the brown coat and pantaloons are cut to bring out the natural contours of the body rather than to drape it unnatural artifice. Furthermore, the subject is placed lying recumbent in a naturalist setting. The final coup is the book in his hand: Rousseau Juge de Jean-Jacques which he had recently edited. Rousseau is, of course, the very theorist par excellence of the doctrine of the Natural Man. Wright's manner of dress reveals a man well ahead of his time - indeed decades ahead of Brummell.

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Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:39 am

A little exert from a publication by Dr Henry Wampen:

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Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:59 pm

Sator wrote:As a little continuation of the previous discussion on the relationship between the art of the tailor and architecture, my interest was peaked when I came across a mention of the comparison between pattern drafting and drafting in architecture and surveying in a discussion by Devere, 1866. Reading more about the intricacies of drafting patterns made me really appreciate just how much like the work of an architect that is.

It struck me that herein lay the problem with "designer" clothes. Fashion students go through their fashion courses without really coming to grips with how to properly draft a workable pattern. They are like some artist who comes up with a vague concept of how a building might look without the slightest clue as to whether the building would collapse on our heads or sink into the earth. Likewise, fashion "designers" have little appreciation of the fact that pattern drafting to best bring out the beauty of the extraordinarily complex intricacies of anatomical form requires considerable skill, and in-depth practical knowledge. This remains true irrespective of whether we are talking about drafting to a system of proportionate measure or bespoke styled drafting off direct measurements.

The slovenliness of modern man's dress has much to do with the fact that we have let the art and science of pattern making and cutting that had been advanced to a remarkable degree lapse into semi-obscurity.

With that here is the architect of Knize in Vienna - Adolf Loos

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It is interesting to notice that previously the Knize house project, Adolf Loos had already worked on a building designed to function as a gentlemen’s outfitter, namely Goldman & Salatsch. The building is better known as House on Michaelerplatz. It is a project from 1909-1911 which was initially received with great suspicion, given its simplicity and lack or ornament – a sartorial quality after all.

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The most exquisite part of the building was intended to reproduce the atmosphere of an English club. Nowadays, alas, it seems to work as the premises of a bank.
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:08 pm

Indeed, I remember a story of the Emperor himself hating how it looked and how it contrasted with the sumptuous architecture of the neighbouring palace entrance. Nowadays all windows display bright red garden geraniums...
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:13 pm

I remember that building from my trip to Vienna, I remember the greens tone (marble?) used impressed me, it is so plain and yet moving.
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:59 am

For the benefit of those that expressed an interest the publication I described that featured essays about tailoring in, is titled Adolf Loos Spoken Into The Void: Collected Essays 1897 -1900 published by Oppositions Books/MIT 1982.

Within this volume are essays on Men's Fashion, Men's Hats, Footwear, Shoemakers and Underclothes for your delectation.
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:04 pm

Dear Arch, thanks for the source of Loos' reflections on the relationship between architecture and cloths. I was rather disappointed to learn that the book you have mentioned is out of print, and that second hand copies are nearly unaffordable. On the other hand, the original German text (Ins Leere gesprochen) is available for 16 euro at Amazon.de. And more interesting than that: I have just realized that there is another book by Loos called Warum ein Mann gut angezogen sein soll ("Why a man should be well-dressed") which may possibly contain further reflections of him on the relationship between architecture and cloths.

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I do not know if this book has been translated into English. I intend to order this book and post some information on its content in due time.
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:16 pm

I have just received the two books by the Austrian architect Adolf Loos mentioned in my previous post. I was not really disappointed, but the two books are not really quite different. The one called “Warum ein Mann gut angezongen sein soll” ("Why a man should be well-dressed") is, actually, a collection of short essays on apparel arts and kindred themes published in Neue Freie Presse. These articles also appear in Ins Leere Gesprochen, the English translation of which, Spoken Into The Void: Collected Essays 1897 -1900, being currently out-of-print. The latter title, on its turn, contains, in addition to the essays on apparel arts published in “Warum ein Mann gut angezongen sein soll”, further texts on furniture, architecture, decoration etc. Many of these essays are also contained in another collection of essays called Adolf Loos: Die Schriften 1897 bis 1900, available at


http://books.google.com/books?id=xekxQV ... lt#PPP1,M1

I intend to post some comments on the essays pertinent to the subject matter of this thread as I read them.
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