matching wardrobe to local temperature

What you always wanted to know about Elegance, but were afraid to ask!
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Guest

Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:34 pm

I know this seems very OCD, but has anyone found out the exact number of days over 70 degrees Farenheit and the days below 40 degrees, in their local city, to plan his wardrobe?
Guest

Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:25 am

No, it never crossed my mind - we think in Celsius degrees here :)
The need to cover our bodies adequately to protect them from the elements could be determined on such data, hardly a gentleman's wardrobe. I could only agree that, in particularly hot or cold climates, it would be advisable for a gentleman to have most of his wardrobe made in warmer or cooler fabrics, maintaining however seasonal diversity (i.e. the same number of winter suits - in terms of colours, cut - made in lighter cloth). But is this gentleman never to leave his feud?
C
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:53 pm

just an Italian false friend: "feudo"
"feoff" or "fee" actually, in English (land)
Guest

Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:00 pm

Not gone to those lengths, but...

I live in a climate that is quite cool in the summer and rather moderate, but wet, in the winter. The unusual aspect to our climate is that the warm months are in the fall. My wardrobe reflects the realities of my climate in that I do not have much that is extremely lightweight, and that which is tends towards slightly fall like colors to match the season that I wear it.
Guest

Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:05 pm

Well, "planning" may be too strong a word. Depending on where I live at any one time, my mind automatically wanders to the fabrics climate and season demand. The disadvantage is that, a Fresco suits ordered in the current heatwave will only be available for the next summer season.

TVD
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:35 pm

Anonymous wrote:just an Italian false friend: "feudo"
"feoff" or "fee" actually, in English (land)
Giving us such delightful property law terms as "enfeoffment", and the law-French "fee simple" (fay ZAMP' - though noone pronounces it properly).

The more obvious word we'll all know is fief or fiefdom, of course...
Guest

Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:09 pm

I feared that, while "feud" was Italian-inspired (and had a whole different meaning in English of which I was not aware), "fief" would sound French (which it is, too).
Why don't we all learn Esperanto and do away with language barriers :lol:
By the way: do you, gentlemen, think that the official language of Elegance (if there is any such thing) would be English?
Guest

Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:06 am

Anonymous wrote:... and the law-French "fee simple" (fay ZAMP' - though noone pronounces it properly).
I do not wish to hijack the thread, but fee simple comes directly from latin (feodum simplex) and hence a French pronunciation is not correct from an etymological point of view. Fee simple is an English, rather than Norman, invention.
Guest

Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:20 am

What froth! High falutin froth, I'll grant you, but froth nonetheless.

Bravo!
Guest

Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:00 pm

Any mistake is an opportunity to learn, which I seized without delay.
“Fee” has apparently entered the English language via the Old French “fieu” (which gave “fief” later), conjecture corroborated by the fact that the only English words deriving directly from "feodum / feudum" are of relatively recent birth : feudal / feudalism - concepts of History developed in the 1840’s.
What appeared to me as a root, "feud", my false friend, is of Germanic/English origin (connected to “foe”) - nothing but a literal resemblance with “feudum”.
Nevertheless, “fee simple” clearly originates conceptually in the Latin “feodum simplex”, as charmingly explained by the following article which I couldn’t help posting:

“Tenant in fee simple is he whiche hath landes or tenements to holde to hym and
to his heyres foreuer. And it is called in laten feodum simplex / for feodum is
called inherytaunce / & simplex is asmoche to say as laufull or pure / and so
feodum simplex is as moche to say as laufull or pure inherytaunte. For if a man
wyll purchase landes or tenementes in fee simple / it behoueth hym to haue these wordes in his purchas / to haue and to holde vnto hym and to his heyres: for these wordes his heyres make the estate of inherytaunce. For if any man purchase landes by these wordes / to haue and to holde to hym for euer / or by suche wordes / to haue and to holde to hym and his assygnes for euer/ In these .ii. cases he hathe none estate but for terme of lyfe / for that that he lacketh these wordes / his heyres: whiche wordes onely make the estate of inherytaunce / in all
feffementes and grauntes”
Sir Thomas Littleton, "Treatise on Tenures", late 15th century

With apologies to the gentleman originally interested in weather statistics (and their application to designing one’s wardrobe), as well as to fellow members I managed to bore with the off-topic debate to which I have unintendedly given rise,

Costi
Guest

Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:37 am

Not boring at all, Costi. And related to dress, in an indirect way, as both our appearance and our words communicate something to others.

Just to clarify for anyone else interested: "feud" is no false friend, just a rare one in English: it can mean precisely what Costi intended, though its employment in English is rare outside legal writing.

RWS
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:32 pm

Back to the issue of wardrobe and climate. After wearing a suit and tie in hot muggy suffocating weather, I'm all for the lightweight suits. And all year round. In cold weather, you can easily layer on a sweaters or overcoat to keep warm and if you're stuck in an overheated office, house or department store for any length of time, it's easy to strip off the layers and regain some level of comfort.

--RT
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