Dress melodiously

"He had that supreme elegance of being, quite simply, what he was."

-C. Albaret describing Marcel Proust

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Costi
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:46 pm

Charles Baudelaire wrote:Melody is unity in colour, or the general colour. Melody requires a conclusion, it is an ensemble in which all effects combine to create one general effect. Thus melody leaves a profound memory in our minds.
The best way to find out if a painting is melodious is to look at it from afar, where neither subject nor lines may be perceived. If it is melodious, then it already has a sense and it has already taken its place in the gallery of memories.
After you have carefully selected all elements of your dress and combined them according to rules, customs and erudite principles of composition, step back from the mirror as far as you can: do you see unity, a general effect, a conclusion?
Does your dress sing to you?
Gruto

Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:26 pm

Costi wrote:
Charles Baudelaire wrote:Melody is unity in colour, or the general colour. Melody requires a conclusion, it is an ensemble in which all effects combine to create one general effect. Thus melody leaves a profound memory in our minds.
The best way to find out if a painting is melodious is to look at it from afar, where neither subject nor lines may be perceived. If it is melodious, then it already has a sense and it has already taken its place in the gallery of memories.
After you have carefully selected all elements of your dress and combined them according to rules, customs and erudite principles of composition, step back from the mirror as far as you can: do you see unity, a general effect, a conclusion?
Does your dress sing to you?
How would Schönberg look at this :) ? I follow you but we are applying a very old worldly idea of harmony, unity and melody.

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[Jorn]

Breaking harmony and melodi can be a way to leave "a profound memory in our minds", in fact, it is often unpredictability that produces extraordinary effects, while harmony just reproduces our state of mind. In other words, the question should be: Does your dress move you?
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:48 pm

Gruto wrote:How would Schönberg look at this
Possibly like this, now, and from a great distance...
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Admittedly not the most comfortable perspective, but that's life :evil: ... and the Forum page! :D
Gruto wrote:we are applying a very old worldly idea of harmony, unity and melody.
We?!

Truth is never too old to remain true. Boredom begets monsters.
And I did write "dress melodiously", not musically. But I think I would like to see you dress to Berio's "Sinfonia" :?
Gruto wrote:harmony just reproduces our state of mind.
Our?!

I would be happy enough if my dress reproduced my state of mind and looked harmonious at that!

Originality at any cost and for its own sake is harmful to my health, but other people may well develop immunity or, indeed, become carrying hosts without ever contracting the infection.
Gruto wrote:the question should be: Does your dress move you?
Music moves me. And if my dress sings, it shall move me. Hopefully others, too - a young violonist I admire once wrote that music does its work on people, whether they are aware of it or not. Of course, there is the Bach effect, the Mozart effect, the Schoenberg effect...
I think our dress works on us and on those around us, too - whether we or they realize it or not. Most of the time I don't need / want my dress to make an impact, to raise eyebrows - I want it to work silently, discreetly, subliminally. Other times, though... bababoum!
What moves me most is love - "L'amor che move il sole e l'altre stelle"... Bach teaches me to love God, Mozart teaches me to love Man and Life. Not sure about Schoenberg yet... Schoenheit? Kaum... :wink:

PS: thank you for picking up this prematurely dead topic... it deserved better! :)
Gruto

Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:35 pm

Costi wrote:Bach teaches me to love God, Mozart teaches me to love Man and Life. Not sure about Schoenberg yet... Schoenheit? Kaum...
:)
Costi wrote:After you have carefully selected all elements of your dress and combined them according to rules, customs and erudite principles of composition, step back from the mirror as far as you can: do you see unity, a general effect, a conclusion?
If dressing has something to do with art, I wouldn't try to create a conclusion or general effect in my dress. Did Bach, Picasso and rest opt for a conclusion? Internal contradictions might be the thing that makes art as well as dressing interesting.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:39 pm

Gruto wrote:If dressing has something to do with art
Apparel ARTS, non? :) It IS a minor art, but an art nevertheless - if practised as such. At the same time, music or painting can be a mere job, too...
Gruto wrote:Did Bach, Picasso and rest opt for a conclusion? Internal contradictions might be the thing that makes art as well as dressing interesting.
Internal contradiction SOLVED sounds like a good principle (at least in music). Counterpoint, yes - but the contrast is (dis)solved into harmony! Here it is, from the master of counterpoint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOV2v2fV ... re=related

Do you hear contradiction in this? I do, too... the two voices - that of questions, even doubts; that of elan, of faith... the joy... the certainty in the end - Jesus BLEIBET meine Freude; he IS not the undisputed joy of Man's desire, he REMAINS such - because, after weighing the contrasting musical arguments, there is a conclusion, the quiet but resolute conclusion of certainty. And the conclusion, once you hear it, sounds like the reason to be of the entire piece, like a necessary destination from the first note.

Dress is not a question. It is not an answer, either - at least, not a definitive one; an answer a day, if you wish. Riddle and solution at the same time - THAT is a good contradiction, isn't it?
Gruto

Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:15 pm

Costi wrote:
Gruto wrote:If dressing has something to do with art
Apparel ARTS, non? :) It IS a minor art, but an art nevertheless - if practised as such. At the same time, music or painting can be a mere job, too...
Art has to move us but it doesn't have to be harmonious, which seems be a vital element in your vision of dressing :?:
Costi wrote:Internal contradiction SOLVED sounds like a good principle (at least in music). Counterpoint, yes - but the contrast is (dis)solved into harmony!
What is harmony? You seem to reduce it so a sort of rule following. Maybe there is harmony beyond counterpoints and solving of "problems" like a happy marriage of jeans and a blue blazer :wink: :?:
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:03 pm

Gruto:

Dressing melodiously is something of a misnomer. Being well-dressed presumes you have an innate understanding of color complements (read: opposites on a colorwheel), an ability to co-mingle patterns
of different scales, a knack for mixing textures, and an inexplicable talent for introducing an element of surprise in your ensemble that baffles and delights onlookers. The latter has nothing to do with fashion, which is always DOA, and everything to do with developing your own stylish signature.

The best way to approach dressing is to experiment. Mix and match different swatches of fabrics and see what appeals to you. Dive in, make mistakes, and smile when you realize you have inadvertently
created a combination that works brilliantly. There is more to dressing well than the ever popular palette of navy and grey. Much more! If you need inspiration, head for the nearest art museum and
spend an hour or two in the galleries with Vermeers and the Impressionists. If you prefer nature's way of mixing colors and textures, head for Tuscany or the nearest forest.

JMB
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:24 pm

JMB,

Painting well presumes you have an innate understanding of color complements (read: opposites on a colorwheel), an ability to co-mingle patterns of different scales, a knack for mixing textures, and an inexplicable talent for introducing an element of surprise in your ensemble that baffles and delights onlookers.

Spend an hour or two in the galleries with Vermeers and the Impressionists and you'll soon realize that, while you can analyze the paintings using the criteria above, making them is something else entirely and cannot be explained by the mere knowledge of these principles. The art critic and the artist remain, most often, two fundamentally different species.

If anything, I'd advise anyone to try to be an artist in their dress, rather than an erudite art critic trying to paint according to rules... :(
I recently came across a phrase that sums up all this very nicely: "master all your talents into instincts". No colourwheel or texture mixing rule can explain the way a painter uses colour. Back to Proust 101 (what can I do, I keep going back to him, he's so dense - and it was YOU who mentioned JUST Vermeer and the Impressionists :wink: ): "style for a writer, as well as colour for a painter, is not a question of technique, but of vision."
So... DO dress melodiously! :) Listen to the music in this poem, even without paying attention to the words - it's pure melody!:

L'invitation au voyage
(Charles Baudelaire)

Mon enfant, ma soeur,
Songe à la douceur
D'aller là-bas vivre ensemble!
Aimer à loisir,
Aimer et mourir
Au pays qui te ressemble!
Les soleils mouillés
De ces ciels brouillés
Pour mon esprit ont les charmes
Si mystérieux
De tes traîtres yeux,
Brillant à travers leurs larmes.

Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
Luxe, calme et volupté.


Des meubles luisants,
Polis par les ans,
Décoreraient notre chambre;
Les plus rares fleurs
Mêlant leurs odeurs
Aux vagues senteurs de l'ambre,
Les riches plafonds,
Les miroirs profonds,
La splendeur orientale,
Tout y parlerait
À l'âme en secret
Sa douce langue natale.

............................

(translations here: http://fleursdumal.org/poem/148)

Gruto,

If Baudelaire was not the greatest contester of established patterns in art, then who was... And yet here is his ideal, in two lines:

Nothing but order and beauty there,
Luxe, peace and voluptousness.

Order and beauty... peace... voluptuousness cannot be without them and luxe is supreme harmony. Because

Everything shall speak
To the soul its secret
Sweet native tongue.

Music, painting, literature - Style that speaks the native language of the soul, not an Esperanto that is a cold invention of the mind.
And it CAN be expressed in a fresh way, with lively contrast and surprising lines, but by affirming rather than by denying - by creating an original landscape instead maiming an old master's, as in the pictural palimpsest above (to the eternal contemplation of which we have doomed poor Schoenberg on this webpage, like a damned soul in Dante's Inferno):
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("Luxe, Calme et Volupte", Henri Matisse)
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Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:41 pm

Costi:

The suggestion of spending some time in art museums gazing at pictures by Vermeer and the Impressionists is not to attempt to copy their brushwork and variegated palettes; it is simply to
appreciate the beauty and complexity of their visions. Call it glimpses of genius. No one captured
the nuances of natural lighting and portraiture like Vermeer, even though his genuine works only
number around fourteen. And nobody comes close to the extraordinary use of color of Monet or
Seurat. Hmm, on second thought, Gustav Klimpt is in the same league. None of them can be copied or bettered. All of them inspire and delight. Great art, music and literature inspire us. Why should it be
any different with how we adorn ourselves?

JMB
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Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:20 pm

Jordan Marc wrote:CostGreat art, music and literature inspire us. Why should it be
any different with how we adorn ourselves?

JMB
You are preaching to the converted...
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