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We should re-think the idea about the shoulder

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:10 pm
by Gruto
Mr. Hackett gets an Italian treatment at Pitti Uomo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1revai8KRA0

- this Signore Ricci is a sharp dresser, no doubt about that, I think:
http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/1 ... cciWeb.jpg

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:19 pm
by DD MacDonald
....if you hide your shoulder, you hide yourself

Re: We should re-think the idea about the shoulder

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:29 pm
by jefferyd
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Re: We should re-think the idea about the shoulder

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:34 pm
by gherrmann
I must agree. I am a fan of moderate roping myself (in the right context), but that is a bit more than a bit much.
jefferyd wrote: The view from the front is quite different. I'm all for the roped shoulder but I don't think this is Mr. Hackett's cup of tea.

They have no padding at all, though, so that should please Alden ;)



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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:19 pm
by yachtie
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:33 pm
by Costi
:lol:

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:00 pm
by David V
And what is happening with the breast pocket?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:22 pm
by Gruto
The dark grey suit is far out. This one is better, although there is still a lot of roping:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/S ... ciweb1.jpg

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:35 pm
by Costi
Roping aside, I would be most curious to understand how he gets into those trousers with cuffs that look no wider than his socks :roll:

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:51 pm
by jefferyd
On the YouTube page there is a link to a video called Il Vestito Giusto- Ricci is being interviewed by the gentleman who was serving as interpreter for Mr. Hackett. In it he makes some very interesting points but it is also punctuated by some pretty ridiculous statements, among others that all his clients, upon being fitted by him, promptly throw out all their previous suits as they consider them unwearable in comparison.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:57 pm
by Sator
This sort of fancy shoulder was once quite common in the 19th century. I do believe that leg of mutton shoulders are also "soft" shoulders:

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Here is another example of a genuinely pleated and soft/natural shoulder on a 19th century men's coat:

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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:12 am
by le.gentleman
A very good friend of mine, vaux le vicomte, was the first one who told me about Sciamat (Valentino Ricci's and his brother's sartoria) a few years ago www.sciamat.com .
Usually, the rollino is quite extreme and the shoulders are pretty narrow.
In the following, I found some more videos which might be of interest to some of you:

An interview in Italian about his style philosophy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlFyWlje ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQoYTQzMkuo

And a video of him at the Pitti in Summer 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSBbberYcvU

The guy with the tough German accent is Michael Jondral, a German haberdasher from Hannover - http://www.michaeljondral.com/

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:27 pm
by masterfred
I think Signor Ricci looks rather dreadful in this silhouette. :?

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:47 am
by marcelo
yachtie wrote:Image
Except for the beard, the resemblance is astonishing! :D

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:51 pm
by Gruto
A short new interview with Mr Ricci:

http://www.mensflair.com/news/5-questio ... -ricci.php

I think he has a good point about the fashion industry, but what is "Original contemporary classic style"? It sounds just a bit ambiguous.