The London Lounge

Did I spot President Bush's wearing a fold-down collar for white Tie?

He did in London in 2003.

Not sure about Bush's collar for this week's White Tie dinner, but perhaps someone nice could send the First Lady a pair of long dress gloves and a tiara?

What exactly is white tie? I'm not real up-to-par on this stuff... (I mean, I googled it and I see it is "the most formal of formalwear"). So, then, what type of occasion is considered ultra-formal, other than the U.S. President meeting with The Queen?

I thought there were morning suits and then dinner jackets...geez what else is there?

Weddings in the afternoon are (in principle) white tie events.

Anything where you go to a church is morning suit in the morning/early afternoon, and white tie in the evening, as dinner jacket isn't used in church (or shouldn't if you are traditional)

Dinner jacket is mostly just decent evening clothes, whereas white tie is for formal events.

White Tie: Opera, Theatre, Balls, and Formal Dinner
Back Tie: Semi-formal Dinner
Morning Dress: Any events specifying National Dress (UK), Garden Parties, Royal Ascot, Trooping the Colour, Weddings, Funerals, Inauguration (Presidential), Surrender Treaties

Morning Dress is considered as Pre 6pm, for most wedding were always early on in the day, never a late church service, so no real defined precident for post 6pm, so can be either Black Tie or White Tie depending on choice of the Bride & Groom.

Highland Wear, has a number of different dress codes which basically have equilivents ( not full code defined, the rough comparision showing principal dress item)

White Tie: Montrose Doublet
Black Tie: Prince Charle Jacket:
Morning Dress: Argyle Jacket:

Kirsch, see Tutee's post:

http://thelondonlounge.net/gl/forum/vie ... php?t=5526

for everything you want to know about white tie.

Topper wrote:White Tie: Opera, Theatre, Balls, and Formal Dinner
Back Tie: Semi-formal Dinner
Morning Dress: Any events specifying National Dress (UK), Garden Parties, Royal Ascot, Trooping the Colour, Weddings, Funerals, Inauguration (Presidential), Surrender Treaties

Morning Dress is considered as Pre 6pm, for most wedding were always early on in the day, never a late church service, so no real defined precident for post 6pm, so can be either Black Tie or White Tie depending on choice of the Bride & Groom.

Highland Wear, has a number of different dress codes which basically have equilivents ( not full code defined, the rough comparision showing principal dress item)

White Tie: Montrose Doublet
Black Tie: Prince Charle Jacket:
Morning Dress: Argyle Jacket:

Very useful.

The First Couple's wardrobe left something to be desired, during the Queen's visit. Laura Bush's suit in the above picture, has a poor, snug fit. Highly unflattering. The proportion of the suit jacket is 'off,' I'm not sure the fabric used was a wise choice.

To my eye, the President's 'white tie' did not affect a luxrious look. Had a pressed, rental 'air' to its fit, fabrication, and proportion. The First Lady's gown was deeply unflattering, throwing emphasis to her hips, which are not small.

Yes, this is an object lesson to accompany malden's post on trouser cut. GWB's low waist and necessarily concomitant droopy vest and coat, combined with his accordion-pleat cuffs, make him look positively simian. HIs stoop doesn't help. The Duke of E, on the other hand, at 86, still has a more erect posture than the President and wears his trousers and vest high on the waist, giving an even longer line to his already long legs. A good plug (as malden says) for staying fit and having a good tailor. I wonder if John Kent still cuts for him?