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Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:10 am
by tteplitzmd
Two different makers, same instructions, different outcomes:

Huddersfield worsted faux tweed:
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Scottish tweed:
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Poor pattern matching, sloppy stitching, no hanging loops as asked, messy interior seam finishing, on the Huddersfield version.
Excellent pattern matching, neat stitching, piped interior seams, and hanging loops (inside and under collar) on the Scottish tweed.

Both makers rejected my request for Bemberg lined cuffs and neckband.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:18 am
by Screaminmarlon
Love the Breguet Marine!
Is the first one from west?
In the end, it almost seems the cloth was responsible for the outcome :D

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:14 pm
by tteplitzmd
The Breguet Marine is indeed terrific. Will be switching it over to "dress" watch mode next month by putting on the crocodile band.

The first one is western. The makers, especially shirtmakers, make a big deal out of having to switch their needles for heavier cloth. As best I understand it, the lighter weight Huddersfield worsted should have been easier to sew. Yet, the sewing on close inspection is sloppy and uneven. My photos don't show it that well.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:45 pm
by Concordia
#2 from Chan?

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:35 pm
by Screaminmarlon
tteplitzmd wrote:The Breguet Marine is indeed terrific. Will be switching it over to "dress" watch mode next month by putting on the crocodile band.
Nice touch! Either way, it's a beauty.

As for the stitching, maybe the eastern patient mind played a role. Which is the weight of the tweed?

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:18 pm
by tteplitzmd
The Scottish tweed is about 22 ounces.

It was made by a lady's tailor in Hong Kong (W.W. Chan's lady's tailor Danny Chen who travels with their men's tailor Patrick Chu on the U.S. trips). Because these garments don't have a canvas and are largely machine sewn Patrick recommended Danny. Danny has made tailored clothing for my wife for years and is superb. Danny explained that in olden days this kind of task was relegated to kimono makers (more than a shirt but less than a tailored fully canvased garment). I would say the HK version is infinitely better than the very high priced SR version, which took 4 times as long to make, to boot.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:33 pm
by Concordia
Looks very nice. Now that I seem to have renewed my relationship with Chan I might have to branch out that direction.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:44 am
by uppercase
Who made the first lousy one?

Full, fair disclosure on LL, for better or worse....

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:59 am
by Slewfoot
Great to hear Chan can make such a nice garment in that style. I've always had very positive experiences with them when I've visited Hong Kong. They are well worth a look if one is considering.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:35 am
by Rowly
The faux tweed has very rich muted tones and is a lovely colour. I don't recognise it..can you devulge its identity? Your design is very nice and the button choice is excellent. Health to wear!

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:08 pm
by tteplitzmd
This goes back a few years, I only recall the cloth had "Made in Huddersfield" on the selvage. It is heavier and with a softer finish than say, Glorious Twelfth.

I did some of my postgraduate medical training in Hollywood, but no one ever gave me a studio publicity photo to autograph and give to the London shirtmaker who made the faux tweed shirtjacket. Needless to say you won't find my photo on his shop walls next to Frank Sinatra, Cary Grant, Clint Eastwood, or Ralph Fiennes. Uppercase, doesn't the U.K. have those screwy liable laws?

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:36 pm
by Badden
Thank you for posting.

Can you please share the source of the 22oz. tweed (2nd pic)?

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:01 am
by tteplitzmd
Badden wrote:Thank you for posting.

Can you please share the source of the 22oz. tweed (2nd pic)?
Tailor's cloth. It may be Carron estate tweed.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:51 am
by uppercase
tteplitzmd wrote: I did some of my postgraduate medical training in Hollywood, but no one ever gave me a studio publicity photo to autograph and give to the London shirtmaker who made the faux tweed shirtjacket. Needless to say you won't find my photo on his shop walls next to Frank Sinatra, Cary Grant, Clint Eastwood, or Ralph Fiennes. Uppercase, doesn't the U.K. have those screwy liable laws?
This hint requires some sartorial sleuthing. I will get back on this.

But kudos to WW Chan, bespoke heroes from the rising East, obvious favourites of yours.

Re: Shirtjacket blindfold test: East vs. West

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:31 am
by Badden
tteplitzmd wrote:
Badden wrote:Thank you for posting.

Can you please share the source of the 22oz. tweed (2nd pic)?
Tailor's cloth. It may be Carron estate tweed.
Thanks - looks fantastic. I'll have to track it down.