my trip to NYC

[SouthPender]

Concordia, I did explore the special-order option with C&J, but they quoted me a price that was approximately twice that of the regular RTW Handgrades. Since this price was higher than that for EG's by special order, I naturally passed.

[Concordia]

Yes, their special order is a terrible deal. You should just cruise www.pediwear.co.uk to see if there are narrow sizes in stock.

[smoothjazzone]

Mark:

That is very kind of you to offer -- but knowing just how jealous most of these guys are of the other and how each one of them believes that they are the "best of the best," any place they rent together no matter how big will not be big enough to be able to house the collected egos. They would probably drive each other completely insane.

BTW, is the end of 510 Madison official? That's too bad. For those tailors who may not wish to "hang-up their shears", iIt may be useful for a group of tailors to rent jointly a premises as a cost saving measure so as to stay in midtown. Many of the Savile Row tailors share premises. I may be able to help.

[manton]

Are there one-man shops [i.e., no freelancers used] working at the highest levels in London?

I wouldn't say "shops" but there are tailors who do everything themselves. I have seen their work. It's excellent -- sewing every bit the equal of Italy. I was fooled by one such coat once, actually.

[Guest]

Names? Addresses? Partito in Philadelphia is one, if you don't mind his splitting it with his wife (or so I understand). One of the first tailors I considered, in the Northeast section of Philadelphia, does the same thing, but he was too disagreeable a fellow for me to deal with and I had found Centofanti by then.

[Incroyable]

Are there one-man shops [i.e., no freelancers used] working at the highest levels in London?

I wouldn't say "shops" but there are tailors who do everything themselves. I have seen their work. It's excellent -- sewing every bit the equal of Italy. I was fooled by one such coat once, actually.

There is a sort of establishment like that in London, however they have several tailors:

George, Bespoke Tailor
143 Cleveland Street

[mathew]

Frank Shattuck will move upstate? Does upstate refer generally to the massive mainland of New York(as people often refer to any area in Illinois outside of Chicago as "downstate"), or will he be moving back to Syracuse? I'm sure that he has his share of loyal clients, and that traveling in to the city for fittings should be just fine for him. He can probably have a nicer facility upstate than that which he was leasing from Ragusa.
Will his prices possibly be less due to lower overhead costs outside NYC, or will they remain the same?

[manton]

He says he is going to the Finger Lakes. I seriously doubt he will lower his prices, which in any case are not high owing to overhead (he has hardly any) but to the labor he puts in.

[Guest]

So far as the "official" London Lounge list of bespoke tailors in NYC, it stands at

Cheo ($4000)
Corvato ($3500)
Davies (special case, Manton's concerns duly noted)
Fioravanti ($6000)
Gagliano ($4500, from memory, information not currently on AK's web site)
Logsdale ($4300, Certified Artisan)
Maurizio ($5000)
Nicolosi ($3000 CMT, Certified Artisan)
Raphael ($2800 CMT)
Shattuck ($4600 CMT)

Prices are for 2 piece suits.

Just so you can infer the "NYC tax," Centofanti charged me $2600 for a suit with fabric, and $1500 CMT for each of two jackets he made for me this way from North Highland tweed and Cloth Club Fox flannel. I do not remember what he charged me for a jacket with fabric, but it was obviously between these two figures.

We should do the same for shirts. The list would start with AK ($450/shirt according to web site), Paris, and Geneva. It would be larger and there would be a lot of unknowns, more than with tailors.

[manton]

I don't think Gagliano charges that much. He may have when he was with Jon Green, but not any more.

[mathew]

Does Gagliano still meet clients at the (John Henry?) tuxedo shop in Brooklyn? I recall someone mentioning Gagliano's price as being closer to $3000???

[Guest]

Wait, are there two Gagliano's? Who was the tailor who partnered with AK?

[manton]

Gagliano and Green worked together out of Kabbaz's old Madison Avenue shop. There is only one Gagliano tailor in New York that I know of, and he now works in Brooklyn. Green has a shop somewhere on the Upper East Side, and his clothing is outsourced to tailors in the city, though I don't know who they are. I think Gagliano makes for Bruce Cameron Clarke, in addition to his private customers.

[bry2000]

Gagliano is comparably priced to most of the tailors listed above.

Bresch, why don't you call the shops you are interested in and get the pricing structure. Then post your findings in a thread.

[Mark Seitelman]

James & James at Venanzi should be comparable to the other NYC tailors.

Based on the Davies price of 2,000 pounds, James should be about $3,500.