7 fold ties

[Wasser50]

Would be interested to hear people's views on 7 fold ties.

I have bought a number and probably through snobbery rather than the belief that they are ascetic ally better. I have bought from Lora piana, scabal, kiton, rubinacci and marinella. The construction is poor with all as they are not from one piece of silk and just the ends are folded to make up the 7 folds. The kiton ties are excellent and have a feel as though made from one piece of silk the others without exception are disappointing. The result I prefer the simple 3 fold ties from Hermes and brioni.

I appreciate that there are some 7 folds made from one piece of silk and they may be much better, so I would like to here from those members who have experience of such construction. As with the ones like I have bought they are a gimmick and save your money.

Now I'm sure there are other points of views so would be interesting to here the view of members. Are they a gimmick or a real luxury?

[Cufflink79]

I currently have three seven fold ties. One from the Alan Flusser shop and two from Robert Talbott.

The Flusser tie was made for his shop in Italy at a factory. The quality is good but the tie is lined, and seven folds are normally not lined. I was told that Italians like to line the tie no matter the make.

My two Talbott ties are made the true seven fold way without a lining. I once read that Mrs. Talbott found an old tie made by Charvet that belonged to her father. Her and Mr. Talbott had the tie carefully taken apart to see how it was consructed. After learning how it was made, they set out to find skilled tie crafters that could make seven folds for them.

[robert_n]

@ Cufflink79:
Bottom line: what's the Talbot 7-fold like, quality-wise?

[cathach]

Now I'm sure there are other points of views so would be interesting to here the view of members. Are they a gimmick or a real luxury?

There's a gent who has made the clearest explanation of the whole situation: http://www.samhober.com/customties/cust ... eguide.htm

So according to that definition, a 7-fold tie is made from 7 folds of silk with no interlining or tipping. As a result the tie has less wrinkle resistence and a smaller knot. The Italian definition then is a 6-fold tie with interlining (essentially just a six-fold tie). Due to the extra material used the drape is improved. Whether one is better or not...? Its probably like marmite for some and not for others.

[alden]

Just a comment about purchasing ties. I have never purchased a tie by mail order or internet. And I never would do so. I ask the shop if I can try the tie that interests me and I knot it then and there. I can tell from the knot if the tie is for me or not. Its something you cannot do virtually!

Cheers

[Cufflink79]

@Robert_n, the quality of the seven fold Talbott ties are the best I've seen.

Best Regards,

Cufflink79

[robert_n]

@ Cufflink 79:
Sorry to flog the proverbial dead horse, but the seven-folds from Talbot - are they superior to ordinary ties in your opinion?

[Cufflink79]

All the ties I've bought from Talbott are great, but the seven folds are special in the way they are made.

If you can afford a whole wardrobe of seven folds, than go for it.

Best Regards,

Cufflink79

[Wasser50]

Fortunately cost is not an issue I just want the best and not gimmicks.

I have not tried the Talbot ties but will do so, although when looking at the designs on the web site I'm not that impressed. However, colour and patern are very my personal tast and not a reflection of quality, so I appreciate others may love the patterns.

My experience of the 7 folds I have tried is they are a gimmick. Spent yesterday morning wandering around Mayfair and ended up buying a tie from Hermes which in my eyes was better made than envy thing else I sore. My hart would love to find a 7 fold where I could appreciate the skill of manufactur but alas could not find it. I'm going to go to Italy and see if I can find such an tie.

[Concordia]

Less expensive than a ticket to Italy is an R&D experiment with www.samhober.com. Especially if you have length, width, or shape preferences that are a little out of the way, his service is very fine. Also, his cloth selection is very good. It shouldn't take too many orders to decide if you like his 7-fold construction, or prefer one of his other flavors.

That said, I'm sure there's plenty to like in Rome and Naples, if you know where to look and how to ask.

[tteplitzmd]

I would tell Sam Hober what you like and let him advise. His judgment is flawless.
I echo Alden, if you're at Cappelli in Naples, just try one on. Mr. Cappelli can advise,
and he too knows his stuff. Don't rely on myths.

[couch]

Dr. T, nice to see you here. Couldn't agree more about the Hober judgment. For those who haven't yet dealt with the company, it's David who has the taste, as I'm sure you meant to write. Sam is the well-loved child after whom David and his wife Noina named the firm, and she (Samantha) probably has yet to grow into the fully nuanced mastery of the seven-fold that she will no doubt display in time.

[Jordan Marc]

If you have a tendency to get hot under the collar (read: sweat), 7 fold ties should be avoided. It doesn't matter if they're made of silk or wool; they'll make your blood boil, and they can create serious
problems with your heart rhythm. Stick with three- or four-fold silk ties, which knot easier and hang
better at the throat. That's assuming you use a four-in-hand knot, or a half windsor if you have a penchant for being flamboyant. The size of the knot really depends upon the shape of your face. For
top-quality ties, google David Hober and family. Take a close look at the grenadine ties on his site.
To die for!

JMB

[davidhuh]

It doesn't matter if they're made of silk or wool; they'll make your blood boil, and they can create serious problems with your heart rhythm.

Also diabetes and cognitive disorders. If you observe any of these, contact your doctor or your pharmacist

[alden]

Also diabetes and cognitive disorders. If you observe any of these, contact your doctor or your pharmacist

I think the cognitive disorder must be a pre-existing condition. That is the only thing that can explain why men pay so much for these silk nooses.

Cheers