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Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:23 am

tteplitzmd wrote:Just cash in your remaining chips and move to another casino.

Well I do think that you have brought up an important point: when do you cut your losses with a tailor and run?

This can be a simple issue. Or a tough one.

We agree that tailoring is a highly personal experience. The importance of a personal relationship and history a client has with his tailor cannot be minimised. To me, it is one of the pleasures of bespoke and if it is absent, well, I miss it.

I am, probably to my detriment, less interested in the product than in the experience of bespoke. Who needs more clothes at this stage?

Could a continuing personal relationship and history help account for some clients' acceptance of much mediocre work, or indeed unknowing blindness to mediocrity? Perhaps.

But regardless, I am sure that this personal aspect of tailoring helps account for why I am such a big fan of the Italian tailors; they are simply such characters, in turn congenial, histrionic, engaging, maddening, as to make the bespoke experience so deeply personal that it adds immensely to the pleasure, nee joy, I take in wearing their creations.

Each Italian suit I wear, for better or worse, has a personal story and memory; I remember the fittings, the tailors and seamstresses, the individuals, who together worked to make this suit for me by their hands. I remember the espresso, the scotch, the quiet, personal conversations and insights into their personal lives. Call me sentimental. But it is all about the people. I take more pleasure from their quiet satisfaction in making me a suit than I derive from it myself.

You quickly distinguish who is sincere, genuine and simple from those who are too clever by half. You also understand who is talented and who is simply not despite their best efforts.

Though connections are hard to break with a sincere man, regardless the result. It can be a difficult choice.

Such connections are much more difficult to form in the larger tailoring shops and in the metropolises and I miss that. It very much depends on the owners as well. But I will always prefer to find a small shop owned and operated by a family, or the people working there, people working in an ancient craft, using their hands, trying to make a living in a modern world which is quickly overtaking them.

The above thoughts don't relate to Lachter, Haste and Kent specifically...they are just random thoughts prodded in my mind by this thread.

Indeed, to come back to the original question: when is it best to move on?

Well, I suppose each and everyone of us has to answer that question. Bespoke is more than bespoke. It means very different things to each and everyone of us. We know that. The subject is large. I'll stop here.

Well, one more thought, a reminiscence really, of a visit years ago, to the Florentine tailor, Loris Vestrucci, with whom I never had a suit made, much to my misfortune, but whose deep pride in each and every one of his creations, genuine enthusiasm and joie de vivre, I will remember as much as much as his fabulous creations, wizened face and cigar.

A toast to Loris and his kind of the old school!!

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:53 pm

If, after a period of patient working together, a tailor is failing to live up to expectations then there may be a time to move on. It's a difficult decision. But if you have moved from one tailor to the next, and the next, and the next, etc, without finding satisfaction, it is time to recognise that the problem may not lie with the tailors!
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:05 pm

My observation is that after a while, a lot of us narrow the field to just one or two tailors/shirtmakers.
It's a slippery slope however to get to that point.
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:26 pm

Uppercase, I have no conclusions, either. God forbid that I should EVER have!
But I have questions, like you (not to be taken for granted!) :)
I think that, the moment we understand that it is about the EXPERIENCE (that includes the PEOPLE, of course! - it's THEM that we have an experience with, our tailors) and start looking for genuine, first class experiences, good results simply follow as a most natural consequence. Invest in relationships, not in products (even if they are artisanal)!
Let go of the products, let go of clothes, let go of details and instructions. Just let go... as soon as you do, you will find them all, first class quality, sitting in your lap when you have committed to quality people and quality experiences. Plus you will be happy and enjoy yourself. Anything else is a waste of time and energy...
A tailor who is a friend, who respects you, who appreciates your respect for him, will work for you with utmost care, will always do his best. Find the tailor you can trust and respect, who can be a friend. And stick with him. Even if mistakes and accidents happen sometimes, this is not brain surgery - almost anything can be mended or made again, if there is goodwill. And a good disposition and attitude is the best insurance against them in the first place.
Start with positive expectations - positive motivation works much better than the negativity of "what if things go sour"... I think all tailors and all customers have wonder stories and horror stories: look beyond the surface for the true reasons of your best successes and worst nightmares. It's never about the cloth, the skill, the distance, the time... it's always about the relationship, in ultimate analysis. And perhaps THIS is a conclusion, just to contradict my starting point and prove to myself that nothing is for sure :)
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:30 pm

Scot wrote:If, after a period of patient working together, a tailor is failing to live up to expectations then there may be a time to move on. It's a difficult decision. But if you have moved from one tailor to the next, and the next, and the next, etc, without finding satisfaction, it is time to recognise that the problem may not lie with the tailors!
A simple truth, all the more powerful for that...
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