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storeynicholas

Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:15 pm

As for other things, for me it does depend on the humidity. I can certainly agree that heavy cloth can help to keep dry heat out, according to the Bedouin example, but in very humid conditions it just doesn't work and, similarly, I find that a cravat/scarf/ascot is, because of the relative bulk, less easy to bear than a tie in a very humid atmosphere. I recently came across an interesting piece of information on this subject - the Rpyal Navy has adopted what they have decided to call 'Red Sea Rig' for hot conditions - which is tropical naval evening dress ... without the tie... :shock:
NJS
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:41 am

storeynicholas wrote:I recently came across an interesting piece of information on this subject - the Rpyal Navy has adopted what they have decided to call 'Red Sea Rig' for hot conditions - which is tropical naval evening dress ... without the tie... :shock:
NJS
The Australian Army has a similar get up, 'Mess Dress White Shirt':

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http://www.defence.gov.au/ARMY/ASOD/6C.HTM
storeynicholas

Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:21 am

There we are! It hardly looks scruffy and it is interesting that the forces seem to be one of the last bastions of routine evening dress.
NJS
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:27 pm

I think it looks scruffy! I mean what's different other than adding a cumberbund? It's rubbish!
storeynicholas

Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:29 pm

Prof. Pennybags wrote:I think it looks scruffy! I mean what's different other than adding a cumberbund? It's rubbish!
Looking into the subject a little more, it seems that Red Sea Rig goes back in the Royal Navy for a couple of hundred years and, probably, originally omitted the coat, kept the cravat and included a cummerbund arrangement. This was originally for the wardroom , in insufferably hot and humid places and when no ladies would have been present.
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