Bow tie and wing tip collar

[Guest]

Ought the bow tie be in front of behind the wing tips?

[Guest]

The bows belong in front. But the wings of the collar oughtn't be so long nor the bows of the bowtie so large that that's really an issue.

RWS

[Guest]

I believe that some wing collars, particularly taller detached collars, are made to sit with the wings above the tie. I think this would be a minority practice, though.

dopey

[Guest]

When I was much younger, I had a teacher-- an old Parisian with a German name-- who wore a modified sort of bowtie with a turn-down collar. It looked as though he had just stuffed the whole tie behind the collar leaves, although in fact it was just two layers of black silk fastened with a snap.

Is there a name for this contraption (which seems to have faded from the scene)?