Hello all,
A Double windsor knot does 'consume' more cloth than a Four-in-hand. Do you account for that difference when ordering (a) tie(s)?
For a balanced tie, one strives for the broad end to end just short off the waist band. Personally I think that the smaller end should be a few centimeters shorter at most. What I tend to see is Double Windsor knots tied with 'standard' length ties. It causes the smaller end to reach to the second or third button of the shirt, which is to short in my opinion.
Should I be worried about that?
Tie length
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Guest
That's pretty short.
One could follow the example of the Duke of Windsor in this area, which was to never use a double Windsor knot.
One could follow the example of the Duke of Windsor in this area, which was to never use a double Windsor knot.
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Guest
A bespoke tie maker will normally ask you what knot you intend to use and what size knot you wear. Don’t be surprised if you are asked to knot your tie to shown them how you prefer the knot to appear.
The bespoke tie will be cut by the maker to allow a proper length when knotted given the knot you have chosen. For example a tie to be worn with a double Windsor knot will be cut longer than that to be worn with a four-in-hand.
The maker will also ask you about lining thickness as the thickness of the lining also has an effect on the knot and tie length. For example, if you are going to wear a four-in-hand but wish a larger knot, the maker may choose to use a thicker lining and lengthen the tie accordingly.
The bespoke tie maker will also look at the height of your trousers. If you wear a lower cut, hip hugging trouser, the tie will have to be cut longer than if you wear a higher fitting trouser.
M. Alden
The bespoke tie will be cut by the maker to allow a proper length when knotted given the knot you have chosen. For example a tie to be worn with a double Windsor knot will be cut longer than that to be worn with a four-in-hand.
The maker will also ask you about lining thickness as the thickness of the lining also has an effect on the knot and tie length. For example, if you are going to wear a four-in-hand but wish a larger knot, the maker may choose to use a thicker lining and lengthen the tie accordingly.
The bespoke tie maker will also look at the height of your trousers. If you wear a lower cut, hip hugging trouser, the tie will have to be cut longer than if you wear a higher fitting trouser.
M. Alden
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Guest
Yes, tie length is a serious matter.
We look like clowns if the tie falls either too short or too long.
The tie falling to the proper point is as important as shirt cuff length, trouser length, jacket length , etc. etc. It is important!
The proper place for the tie to end is right around the belt buckle, give or take a bit, depending on taste.
RTW ties are a bane if you wear the big knots: Windsor, etc. You will need a MTM tie in this case to ensure that the tie ends in the right place.
How high do you wear your trousers? Another important consideration. I once had a RTW tie salesman tell me that his ties were not too short but rather I wore my trousers too low; he had a point. If I pulled up my trousers to where he thought that they shouold be worn, then the RTW tie fell properly. Otherwise, not.
This issue is very important and requires some self knowleddge: there are many considerations: decide on what tie knot you will regularly use; decide on where your trousers sit and stay on your waist (how high or low); decide on the tie material and thickness of lining (a thicker silk and lining is going to eat up much more of the tie when tieing the knot and so, will fall short of its target). How tall are you.? How long is the RTW that you buy? Do you have a protuding belly? ETc. Etc.
As you can see, getting the proper tie length is no easy matter and if you get it wrong, well, you will always look and feel wrong. Or you can just keep your coat buttoned so nobody knows if you got it wrong that day.
Anyway, for somebody about 5'10", and wearing a 4 in hand, I would say that a standard RTW length should be OK and the tie should fall at the proper point. If you vary these parameters, then I would definitely choose a MTM program from someone and infact , MTM is just a bit more expensive , say $50 more, and probably worth it.
A gentleman doesn't want to come up short and neither should you.
We look like clowns if the tie falls either too short or too long.
The tie falling to the proper point is as important as shirt cuff length, trouser length, jacket length , etc. etc. It is important!
The proper place for the tie to end is right around the belt buckle, give or take a bit, depending on taste.
RTW ties are a bane if you wear the big knots: Windsor, etc. You will need a MTM tie in this case to ensure that the tie ends in the right place.
How high do you wear your trousers? Another important consideration. I once had a RTW tie salesman tell me that his ties were not too short but rather I wore my trousers too low; he had a point. If I pulled up my trousers to where he thought that they shouold be worn, then the RTW tie fell properly. Otherwise, not.
This issue is very important and requires some self knowleddge: there are many considerations: decide on what tie knot you will regularly use; decide on where your trousers sit and stay on your waist (how high or low); decide on the tie material and thickness of lining (a thicker silk and lining is going to eat up much more of the tie when tieing the knot and so, will fall short of its target). How tall are you.? How long is the RTW that you buy? Do you have a protuding belly? ETc. Etc.
As you can see, getting the proper tie length is no easy matter and if you get it wrong, well, you will always look and feel wrong. Or you can just keep your coat buttoned so nobody knows if you got it wrong that day.
Anyway, for somebody about 5'10", and wearing a 4 in hand, I would say that a standard RTW length should be OK and the tie should fall at the proper point. If you vary these parameters, then I would definitely choose a MTM program from someone and infact , MTM is just a bit more expensive , say $50 more, and probably worth it.
A gentleman doesn't want to come up short and neither should you.
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Guest
avoid an ostentatiously large knot at all costs. You might look like a footballer . Or even worse ..Prince Michael of Kent
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